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This one points to both legal and scientific problems around the Omnibus cases. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...urce=mailchimp
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Kennedy and Hazlehurst allege that Matanoski and Ricciardella acted together to intentionally misrepresent the opinion of one of their own witnesses, Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, to conceal evidence of his true opinion from the Special Masters who presided in the “Vaccine Court” and the petitioners who were seeking justice and compensation. The evidence that Matanoski and Ricciardella concealed was a report authored by Dr. Zimmerman showing how vaccines may cause autism in a subset of children with underlying mitochondrial issues.
Dr. Andrew Zimmerman is regarded as perhaps the world’s leading pediatric neurologist in the field of autism research. He was selected by DOJ as an expert witness and submitted a report on the OAP test case, Cedillo v. HHS in which he rendered the opinion that the MMR vaccine did not cause autism in the Cedillo case. However, he informed the DOJ attorneys that his opinion should not be considered a “blanket opinion” which covered all of the OAP test cases. Indeed, in Child Doe 77, Zimmerman filed a report in which he offered the opinion that vaccines did cause this child child’s autism because Child Doe 77 had an underlying mitochondrial condition. Zimmerman’s report further stated that vaccines could well trigger a regression ending in autism in a subset – perhaps a small subset – of children with a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder.



Perhaps there isn't just one child in the entire universe who developed autism like symptoms following several vaccines in one day?
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Piled higher and deeper. https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/10/05...ments-to-rest/
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One of the attractions of vaccines as a product is that very few critics of problems in medicine are willing to raise vaccines as an issue. They get a sort of automatic free pass.
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Hopefully this will turn out to be "junk" science. Otherwise it might undermine flu vaccine acceptance. https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/216/4/415/3958807


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Influenza virus is a frequent pathogen in older adults with ILI. Vaccination reduces the number of influenza virus infections but not the overall number of ILI episodes: other pathogens fill the gap. We suggest the existence of a pool of individuals with high susceptibility to respiratory infections.
ILI = influenza like illness


So people get sick anyway and they get sick with illnesses that feel like flu and looks like flu. Why not just skip the vaccine and get the flu instead of something that feels and looks like flu?
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The Dengvaxia mess just keeps getting messier. Despite the yells of the vaccine supporters that discussing this vaccine screw-up is destroying the rest of the vaccine program, the press isn't shutting up. Interesting. Perhaps it is the lack of pharma advertising?

Now we get this: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-ddi101118.php


Study was done by: the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) and the main person involved was Heidi Larson. Her role in life is covering up and explaining away any problems with vaccines.

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The study of 1,500 participants revealed a dramatic drop in vaccine confidence, from the majority (93%) "strongly agreeing" that vaccines are important in 2015 to a third (32%) in 2018. The researchers say the findings highlight the importance of identifying gaps or breakdowns in public confidence in vaccines in order to rebuild trust before a pandemic strikes.
How about if they avoid the premature release of a vaccine and the dosing of 800,000 children? No, apparently that isn't a valid approach.
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"Vaccines are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get - acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy, allergies, anaphylaxis, asthma, autoimmune disease, diabetes, eczema, petit/gran mal seizures, fibromyalgia, Henoch-Schonlein purpua, Dravet's Syndrome, Retts Syndrome, Sweet's Syndrome, Hughes Syndrome, encephalitis, speech delay, tics, neurological damage, coma, ADEM, ADHD, AFP, ASIA, CFS, CRPS, GBS, ITP, JPA, JRA, LGS, LKS, MS, OMS, ORS, PANDAS, PANS, PINTANDS, POF, POTS, RA, SIDS, SJS, SLE, SPD, SUDS, TPI, the disease one is being vaccinated against, or death."

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List from the drug companies' own package inserts that come with their product as required by law.
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Vaccine confidence

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Well...they give an interesting example in the article.
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While other countries dealt with this assessment by updating guidelines and labelling accordingly, the news triggered outrage and political turmoil in the Philippines leading to broken public trust in the dengue vaccine and anxiety around vaccines in general.

So one form of confidence is having the government/medical authorities help to smooth over any concerns so that people don't realize that something has endangered their children.
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I decided to do some digging on PubMed to see how much of that big pile of vaccine science is partially or totally about improving vaccine sales, i.e. marketing studies.



Here is the search I came up with: (vaccines) AND (compliance OR exemptions OR uptake)



there are many more terms I could use and I may expand the search the next time I work on this.


Anyway, I came out with almost 7,000 studies that are concerned with acceptance of vaccines. Some of them may also discuss safety and efficacy, so don't bother digging through to point out that fact. I'm not claiming otherwise.



Here is a link to PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/


What other sorts of studies might be in there which don't provide "real" support to the supposed vaccine consensus?


How about "case reports" (vaccines) AND "case reports"[Publication Type] ?
Note for the easily confused: I'm not claiming that all of these case reports are proof of vaccine damage! The point is that well over 5,000 of the studies that pop up if you type "vaccine" into the search box are not evidence of either safety or efficacy of vaccines.
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https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccine...roversial-past


The FDA wants Dengvaxia approved as fast as possible for use in the US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.
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In an interview, Sanofi Pasteur North American regional medical head David Greenberg said that if the vaccine wins U.S. approval, potential recipients would need to be tested for a prior dengue infection by their healthcare providers. The test takes about a week, he said. Only those with a confirmed infection should be vaccinated, he said.
There is a test available? And they've figured out that using this test makes the vaccine safe to use? Somehow I've still got concerns.
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This is a quite interesting article. The person who shared it wondered if English is not the author's first language and I tend to agree. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...FHOU23zcqX7UUI


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Vaccine supporters often impugn vaccine resisters for avoiding vaccination against communicable diseases on the premise that individuals opting out of immunization may jeopardize “herd immunity,” which ensures community health in present-day mobile society. Vaccine resisters are ceaselessly discredited as paranoids who are medically wrong by inveighing against vaccination as an unsafe regimen upon ostensible evidence. What is not controversial is the truism: Data have primacy over perception. At this time, emerging evidence begins to reveal that vaccines' risks may not be so minuscule. Assertions of safety by vaccinemakers are invariably based on incomprehensive trial designs with long-term effects under-targeted. Notably, it is extremely difficult, expensive, and time-consuming to seek proof of causation for chronic diseases with adverse effects accruing over many years. Vaccines' chronic impacts on health over a lifetime have been inadequately investigated and poorly understood.

Looks like a troublemaker to me!
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Loads of fun! https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2018/...hood%20Vaccine


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The way Feemster characterizes how a vaccine works is also quite puzzling, given her job title. She is certainly aware that, contrary to what she tells the public, vaccines generally stimulate an antibody response at the expense of lost immune memory. Vaccines are intended to stimulate humoral immunity, or the production of antibodies that fight the target pathogen, in a way that tends to skew the immune system away from a cell-mediated response that would confer the “immune memory” Feemster is referring to.
And of course the article doesn't offer up actual science to support the various claims being made.
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More on Dengvaxia. It is clear from the article that vaccine defenders are on the job, trying to unlink problems in vaccinated children from the vaccine. https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/106475...#ixzz5aOwOo2Pd
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so just read the article if you are interested!
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More noise from the Philippines. https://www.africa-news.info/sports/...engue-vaccine/

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Approved in late 2015 as the world’s first vaccine to treat the condition, Dengvaxia has rapidly become Sanofi’s most problematic programme to date.
The company acknowledged two years ago its use could, in some cases, increase the risk of severe dengue in people who had not been previously exposed to the disease, limiting access to vaccine after deaths of children were reported in the Philippines.
The World Health Organization (WHO) advises the vaccine should only be used after testing individuals to assess whether they have ever been exposed to the disease.
Despite concerns around its use, the European Medicines Agency has approved Dengvaxia and the US Food and Drug Administration has granted priority review with a decision expected in May.
However, the Philippines has permanently halted the sale, distribution and marketing of Dengvaxia, which was initially seen as a potential $1-billion-a-year-plus product.
Net sales of the vaccine stood at 3 million euros ($3.42 million) in 2017. Sanofi did not provide a figure for 2018.
In another thread, @teacozy is implying that it is unethical for vaccine criticism to be able to get income from advertising or from selling films. Will she speak up about the greed of companies like this one which rushed a vaccine into use without telling the countries about the possible dangers? Stay tuned.
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Why the vaccine defending studies aren't good. https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2019/01...les-mortality/
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This study looks interesting. Will it be retracted, buried or ignored? https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4c7...3e98a146f6.pdf


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Vaccines are an important health policy tool and have changed the history of infectious diseases. In recent years, the number of vaccines inject to infants has increased, and many doses are administered during the first year of life, when the immune system and the central nervous system have yet to complete their development. Furthermore, the efficacy of the vaccination program is affected by the the possible presence of maternal antibodies in the infant, and by the degree of environmental chemical pollution. Some vaccines contain the specific antigen associated with aluminum, such as Infanrix-Hexa (Combined Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular Pertussis, Hepatitis B, inactivated Poliovirus and Haemophilus influenzae type b Vaccine), MenC (Meningococcal conjugate vaccines), MenB (Serogroup B meningococcal vaccines), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (Prevenar). Aluminum performs the essential task of activating the innate immune system. Other vaccines contain alive virus, such as MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella), and MMRV (Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella), and do not contain aluminum. Each injection of vaccine, regardless of the type of vaccine, is followed by the production of variable amounts of pro-inflammatory cytokines, which exert both local effects and at a distance from the production site. Post-vaccination adverse events (AEs) are a reason of strong debate among scientists. Unfortunately, we often make the mistake of discussing just the epidemiology but not the molecular biology. The action mechanism of the vaccines is still not fully known despite the fact that aluminum adjuvants have been used for about 100 years.
Despite the vaccine admiration expressed in the first sentence of this paragraph, I think the authors must be anti-vaccine. Why else would they talk about possible problems? There are NO problems. Vaccines not only WORK, they are SAFE and EFFECTIVE!
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I always feel that for these studies/papers this sentence -

"Vaccines are an important health policy tool and have changed the history of infectious diseases..."

should really be followed by this -

"Having said that (and we must otherwise we won't get published)..."
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More coming in .. and this articles has a new more article links inside the body
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This study was NOT retracted. It was WITHDRAWN. Because it upset someone. http://www.ghostshipmedia.com/2019/0...ercks-profits/


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It’s not often that veterinary research is so controversial that it falls into the jaws of censorship zealots. That is exactly what happened recently, however, when editors at a science journal suddenly turned on a small Spanish sheep study which they had already peer-reviewed and published and stamped it: “WITHDRAWN” — the equivalent of a scarlet letter “A” in the science publishing world. This was not about shoddy science or ethical breaches; an editor tried to soothe the outraged veterinary professor at the head of the research. But the focus was “delicate” and “controversial” and someone — some anonymous letter-writer – had wanted the study removed, and the journal acquiesced.
Dear Dr. Luján,
“I wanted to step in here to say that your manuscript is not being retracted – which implies wrongdoing and could damage your professional reputation,” Anne-Marie Pordon, publisher of Pharmacology and Pharmaceutical Sciences titles for Elsevier journals interjected in a heated e-mail exchange between the lead researcher and various editors. “We are withdrawing the paper, which does not imply misconduct in any way. There will be simply a statement that says “This paper has been withdrawn at the request of the _____” (Authors or Editors in the blank.)” Pick your poison. You remove it, or we remove it.

Sure looks like censorship of inconvenient information.
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Speaking of bad science and bad policy, here is an article about the history of the recommendation for the Hep B vaccine in newborns. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...urce=mailchimp


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In the CDC’s faith-based judgment, the benefit of possibly preventing an estimated 2,000 to 5,000 annual deaths from HBV-related liver disease outweighed any potential harms, including the risks of unnecessarily exposing millions of fetuses and newborn babies to the neurotoxic effects of mercury and aluminum.
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Anyone use the Vaccine Papers as a reference? Here is a discussion on aluminum between the Vaccine Papers person and someone who claims to be a scientist. http://vaccinepapers.org/rebuttal-to-the-bbb-scientist/
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Sense about Science. Are they really in favor of open and accurate discussions of science? https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/...ward-industry/


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It’s not hard to identify traces of this approach in Taverne’s later work. Writing in his 2005 book, “The March of Unreason,” Taverne complained that “eco-fundamentalists” and fearmongers had fomented a backlash against science and technology, which had in turn produced a “multiplication of health and safety regulations.” That year British Petroleum donated 15,000 pounds to Sense About Science, and Taverne argued in the House of Lords that as much as 80 percent of global warming might be attributable to solar activity, even though that theory had been discredited two years earlier. Taverne, who stepped down as chairman of Sense About Science in 2012, did not respond to The Intercept’s requests for comment.
Sense About Science established an American affiliate in 2014, under the direction of a Brooklyn-based journalist named Trevor Butterworth. In financial documents, Sense About Science claims Sense About Science USA as a sister organization “with close ties and similar aims.” High-profile scientific publishers, as well as such reputable institutions as the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy and the Columbia Journalism Review, have promoted Butterworth’s services to scientists and journalists.
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Diagnosis failures

So, go back a ways and the number of children being diagnosed with autism is 2 or 3 per 10,000.

As we now understand, the real rate is 200 per 10,000. This means that the leading experts back in the 1970s missed 197 out of 200 cases.

The doctors did improve. A few years ago they were spotting autism at the rate of 1 in 150. Which means that they were only missing 2 out 3 children with autism, a dramatic improvement. But still a very poor rate of diagnosis.

Doctors tell us that vaccine injuries are so rare they never see any...
do we trust doctors to do accurate diagnostic work? Given their track record?
Plus, in the last few years, dozens of children with measles symptoms as a result of receiving the MMR have been diagnosed as having MEASLES. Until the strain was tested and then it turned out to be the non-harmful, non-scary, nothing to worry about vaccine version of measles. So even when doctors are confronted with a fairly common vaccine reaction they are unable to recognize or diagnose it.

I suggest that we exercise considerable caution when it comes to diagnosis from pediatricians or doctors in general.
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Back and forth between a vaccine critic and Skeptical Rapture. https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2017/...cine-religion/
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The Poling family is among those who have been awarded compensation under the VICP. In the case of Hannah Poling, the government acknowledged that
the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder.
Now given the context of Gerberding’s admission, note what Raptor is effectively arguing: the fact that vaccines can cause brain damage resulting in autism doesn’t prove that vaccines can cause autism!
One could also argue that the fact you ran over a nail with your bicycle doesn’t prove that the nail caused your flat tire — technically, it was the hole in the tire that did it.
Scientific American has commented on the Poling case by saying that “Theoretically, that makes sense” (that the vaccines triggered the cascade of events resulting in her autism). In Hannah’s case, her mitochondria, the “power plants of the cell”, were “already underperforming, so when she developed a fever from her vaccine, the increased energy requirements likely pushed them past their thresholds”, triggering her autism symptoms.
If anyone wants to defend SR's debunking of Hammond's debunking of the original article in the Washington Post, have at it!
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People do not equal science! https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015/...ce-fanaticism/


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People who HARASS, BULLY, or THREATEN those who question are anti-science.
People who CONFUSE fanaticism with science, who confuse profit with ethics, who confuse advances with empirical development, are anti-science.
People who SUPPORT a government operating as a theocracy based on dogma are anti-science.
People try to FORCE others to follow an outdated, unproven, unethical medical program are religious fanatics.

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When you use the anti-science label, apply it where it belongs. And if you see someone using it inaccurately, correct them. People can and do change when presented with information.
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This one is rich! https://www.thejournal.ie/13-month-o...68594-Jun2019/


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“The fact that this child was infected with a non-typable H influenzae strain is likely owing to ‘herd’ immunity attributable to the success of the Hib vaccine.

POTENTIAL. But the illness wasn't vaccine preventable. It may have occurred as a result of serotype replacement DUE TO the vaccine shifting the disease.
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Using lots of drugs in the US doesn't match up with improved health. https://www.crossfit.com/health/trust-me-im-a-doctor
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However, when it comes to vaccines, doctors know better!
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75% of med students are on a psychotropic drug so no surprise that they are going to be doling out pills of many flavours to their patients. When a doctor does know better and tries to warn others, s/he will be forced out too.

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75% of med students are on a psychotropic drug so no surprise that they are going to be doling out pills of many flavours to their patients. When a doctor does know better and tries to warn others, s/he will be forced out too.

Psychiatrist Peter Gordon claims Royal College 'gaslighted' him in antidepressant row

Excellent training system. Drug your students early and often. And they'll turn into compliant and cooperative doctors.
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People can and do change when presented with information.
Unfortunately, most do not until it happens to them, or their child. They are staunch believers, until they don't get the answers they're looking for from the person in which they trusted judgement calls on medicine and prophylactic medicines. I see more believers of injury caused by vaccination, than acceptance that their child was 'born that way, and vaccines had nothing to do with it'. Very few believe that, from what I've read, lead me to that conclusion - then, since the parents are now wary of vaccines, even in the face of dr admitted vaccine injury, these parents are now crucified for keeping their children safe from further vaccine damage.

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How many people that selective vaccinate or don't vaccinate, would if vaccines manufactures lost their immunity and vaccine court?
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How many people that selective vaccinate or don't vaccinate, would if vaccines manufactures lost their immunity and vaccine court?
Not me...i don't play with loaded guns, even if compensation would be provided for an 'accident'
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