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Goldacre from 2010 on ghostwriting by Wyeth to sell hormone replacement therapy. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...l-ghostwriters


I wonder how many cases of breast cancer occurred as a result?
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Ah ha! A plot from BIG DIAPER!!!
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FOIA request reveals CDC admits in federal court that there is NO evidence that Vaccine Do Not cause Autism.

https://www.collective-evolution.com...Kfa9cwANLscSdQ

While it is hard to prove a negative, it appears the CDC has been lying to us for 20-30 years. How many children and families have suffered in that time?
As Del pointed out on The Highwire, it's telling that the CDC didn't include that De Stefano/Thompson et al MMR study they were defending so hard as good science in that list of 20 studies.
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Good article, covers all the games being used to dismiss vaccine criticism. https://www.academia.edu/35013479/Ho...ork_card=title
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Discussion of the immense ability of vaccine defenders to know exactly what needs to be debunked, while managing to never see the articles supporting vaccines which desperately need to be debunked, usually for the same failings being attacked by vaccine defenders. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2019/0...ted-ignorance/
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Because doctors aren't good at recognizing viral illnesses, we need to vaccinate babies and children against influenza. https://www.healio.com/infectious-di...antibiotic-use
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This article could make a great discussion. If there were any vaccine supporters left to discuss it. https://www.thearkivist.net/the-arkive/dear-pro-vaxxer


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This article could make a great discussion. If there were any vaccine supporters left to discuss it. https://www.thearkivist.net/the-arkive/dear-pro-vaxxer
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Being pro-vaccine is the factory default setting in the modern world. We all are raised on a steady diet of vaccine worship...

Anti-vaxxers can meet the undecided and even pro-vaxxers where they are, because virtually all anti-vaxxers were first pro-vaxxers who became undecided. We know where you are coming from, because we personally came from that same place once upon a time.
I often see articles with titles like "How to Talk to Anti-Vaxxers", and invariably it is things like - "encourage them to visit the CDC website." The (extremely wrong) assumption always seems to be that somehow anyone questioning vaccines would not have already done this. But, I also think that a lot of people may subconsciously not want to engage too deeply. It's easier to support things like mandatory vaccination if you truly believe that the only people who will not vaccinate are uninformed or misguided. (Of course, I would argue that even the "uniformed or misguided" have the right to bodily autonomy.)
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I often see articles with titles like "How to Talk to Anti-Vaxxers", and invariably it is things like - "encourage them to visit the CDC website." The (extremely wrong) assumption always seems to be that somehow anyone questioning vaccines would not have already done this. But, I also think that a lot of people may subconsciously not want to engage too deeply. It's easier to support things like mandatory vaccination if you truly believe that the only people who will not vaccinate are uninformed or misguided. (Of course, I would argue that even the "uniformed or misguided" have the right to bodily autonomy.)

It is a tricky situation for the people who are manipulating the situation. The last thing they want is an open and thoughtful discussion between people who trust vaccines and people who do not trust vaccines. But they can't say: "don't you dare talk to the anti-vaxers" because that might send out twinges in many people who trust vaccines but are not fanatical.



Although I don't think many people here changed sides, it was possible for people to talk politely and I think we all learned something from each other.
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Gardasil is approved to prevent throat cancers.
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The FDA is granting what’s known as an accelerated approval, meaning that the decision is contingent on the production of more data and is based on what’s known as a “surrogate endpoint” — an indication that a medicine works that is not foolproof. In this case, the FDA is approving the drug based on data on preventing anogenital infection. In February, Merck began a study of 6,000 men that will test whether patients who receive the vaccine are less likely to get persistent HPV infections in their throats.

Adding another disease to the approval does impact what Merck can say to doctors and patients about HPV and head and neck cancer. “It’s something that was missing in the label,” said Alain Luxembourg, director, clinical research, Merck Research Laboratories. “It is something missing in the conversation between patients and doctors.”
Otis Brawley, an oncology and epidemiology professor at Johns Hopkins University, said that while he is usually opposed to surrogate endpoints, in this case he is comfortable with the decision. “There’s already enough reasons to vaccinate for HPV in men,” he said, adding that doing so broadly might make it possible to eradicate the virus, and the cancers it causes.
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Except that I expect they are going to test for the HPV types that are in the vaccine and not look at possible serotype replacement. After all, if they get it wrong the people dying from cancer will die from cancer that cannot be blamed on the vaccine failing.
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Let's have it both ways.

We don't know much about this illness and how it behaves. But somehow we are going to create a vaccine that will prevent the illness. https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...tudy-suggests/


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When the researchers looked at antibody levels again eight weeks after each case was discharged from the hospital, they found that both groups had significant declines in antibodies. In the asymptomatic group, 40 percent had no detectable levels of one type of antibody—IgG—while 13 percent of symptomatic cases had no detectable levels. For comparison, in people who had been infected with SARS-CoV-2's relative, SARS-CoV (the coronavirus that causes SARS), researchers have seen sustained IgG levels for more than 2 years.

They never managed to make a vaccine for SARS of course. And the disease went away without a vaccine.
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Well gosh, the authors of this study must be anti-vaccine. https://oncologynews.com.au/doubts-r...-hpv-vaccines/


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Carried out by researchers at Newcastle University and Queen Mary University, the analysis revealed many methodological problems in the design of the Phase 2 and 3 efficacy trials, leading to uncertainty regarding understanding the effectiveness of HPV vaccination.
The researchers found that the trials were not designed to detect cervical cancer, which takes decades to develop. Women in the trials were followed up for six years or less, apart from one trial extension to just under nine years. While the researchers found evidence that vaccination prevents low grade abnormal cell changes, they said this is not clinically important because no treatment is given.
Trials may have overestimated efficacy by combining high-grade cervical disease with low-grade cervical changes that occur more frequently but often resolve spontaneously without progressing. The researchers found insufficient data to clearly conclude that HPV vaccine prevents the higher-grade abnormal cell changes that can eventually develop into cervical cancer.
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Aaby and team have published an overview of their work through many years. https://www.sciencenews.dk/en/vaccin...y-in-many-ways


They are strongly in favor of certain vaccines used in particular ways. But they are pretty upset at the way the vaccine program operates right now.



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In recent decades, GlaxoSmithKline has been working on a new antimalarial vaccine, and the results of the trials of the new vaccine were published in The Lancet in a blaze of publicity.
The vaccine provided 18–36% protection against malaria, more than any other previous vaccine.
This a potentially important step towards preventing a disease that kills millions of people each year, but Christine Stabell Benn and Peter Aaby scrutinized the research results and found that the vaccine did not reduce mortality.
Overall mortality was 24% higher among people who had been vaccinated against malaria compared with unvaccinated individuals.
“A vaccine that protects against malaria that does not reduce mortality makes no sense. We therefore asked GlaxoSmithKline for access to the original data and found that the vaccine reduced mortality among boys by a modest 15% while doubling the overall mortality rate for girls. This was the sixth non-live vaccine that we associated with increased mortality among girls – exactly as we had seen for other non-live vaccines,” says Christine Stabell Benn.
The researchers published their alarming findings, but WHO is now rolling out the vaccine in Africa.


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There is all ready an anti-malarial condition known as the sickle cell anemia gene - people with this gene do not get malaria.

People who have thalissemia or Mediterranean anemia also can have this gene - and they do NOT get malaria. Nature has provided. Perhaps scientists can look at how sickle cell disease works and prevents malaria and maybe work from there.

My husband got malaria in Vietnam, even though he was given the magic pill every Monday to prevent it. Malaria stays with a person, as one never really recovers from it.

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Australia. Cervical cancer should be on the way out. More Gardasil into more girls. And yet the opposite is happening. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...ardasil-girls/


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The obsequious global press have widely quoted and credited the claims of the Gardasil vaccine’s inventor, Ian Fraser (who collects millions in Gardasil royalty payments), that Gardasil is poised to abolish cervical cancer in Australia. The official data put the lie to Fraser’s chicanery. Since 2007, all girls and women up to age 26 have been offered the HPV vaccine in Australia. Government numbers show a 16% cancer increase in 25-year-olds, a 28% increase in 30-year-olds, several years post vaccination. The 30-year-old’s rate increased from 5.4/100k to 6.9/100k. The 25- year-old’s rate rose ‪from 3.2 to 3.7 per 100k.

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This one is personal and quite interesting.


I've been seeing an ophthalmologist to prep for my eye surgery. He provided a print-out of my current prescriptions and my medical history. Here is the weird bit. According to this record I've received 3 vaccines recently. Although my GP offers vaccines I always say no. One incorrect record could be a mistake. But three?


So how accurate are the records around adult vaccinations? Are there hundreds or even thousands of older adults listed as vaccinated who are not vaccinated? Since counting vaccines is what matters, this could work nicely for medical practices who get penalized if they don't get their rates up. No one actually checks to see if the vaccines make a difference in the illness rate.
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How accurate are records concerning anything?

All things like "recordkeeping" are subject to human error since they are maintained by humans.

And lots of luck correcting a mistake or changing a record.

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Interesting article about the fanatics who are in favor of RCTs, but not, of course, when it comes to vaccines. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/s...l-tests-doidge


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The idea that “only RCTs can decide,” is still the defining attitude, though, of what I shall describe as the RCT fundamentalist. By fundamentalist I here mean someone evincing an unwavering attachment to a set of beliefs and a kind of literal mindedness that lacks nuance—and that, in this case, sees the RCT as the sole source of objective truth in medicine (as fundamentalists often see their own core belief). Like many a fundamentalist, this often involves posing as a purveyor of the authoritative position, but in fact their position may not be. As well, the core belief is repeated, like a catechism, at times ad nauseum, and contrasting beliefs are treated like heresies. What the RCT fundamentalist is peddling is not a scientific attitude, but rather forcing a tool, the RCT, which was designed for a particular kind of problem to become the only tool we use. In this case, RCT is best understood as standing not for Randomized Control Trials, but rather “Rigidly Constrained Thinking” (a phrase coined by the statistician David Streiner in the 1990s).



Studies ask questions. Understanding the question, and its context, is always essential in determining what kind of study, or tool, to use to answer those questions. In the “RCT controversy,” to coin a phrase, neither side is dismissive of the virtues of the RCT; but one side, the fundamentalists, are dismissive of the virtues of other studies, for reasons to be explained. The RCT fundamentalist is the classic case of the person who has a hammer, and thinks that everything must therefore be a nail. The nonfundamentalist position is that RCTs are a precious addition to the researcher’s toolkit, but just because you have a wonderful new hammer doesn’t mean you should throw out your electric drill, screwdriver, or saw.
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Interesting article about the fanatics who are in favor of RCTs, but not, of course, when it comes to vaccines. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/s...l-tests-doidge

Finally finished reading this article. Recommend very highly. It totally flattens the "you can trust regulators and drug companies) fantasy about drug trials.
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As long as the major media can get away with this sort of claim, why should they bother actually digging up and presenting science? https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2019/...ne-propaganda/


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The arguments used by people driving the anti-vaccination movement have not changed in about a century. These arguments are effective because they are intuitively appealing — but they are also easily refutable. Instead of ignoring these arguments, an effective pro-vaccine campaign would confront them directly, over and over, for as long as it takes. Yes, there are chemicals in vaccines, but they are not toxic. No, vaccines can’t overwhelm your immune system, which already confronts countless pathogens every day.

Has anyone actually seen attempts to refute "anti-vaccine" claims by presenting the science? What I keep seeing are claims that IF the science WAS presented the CLAIMS would be refuted. Interesting game.
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I so wish that we had a pro-vaccine person here to refute this article about the pertussis vaccine having nothing to do with the decline in deaths from whooping cough. https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2020/...ientific-data/
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Since a randomized controlled trial was deemed “ethically impossible” due to vaccination having already become standard medical practice on the assumption that it was safe and effective, “the question of whether the use of pertussis vaccine is currently superfluous can be answered only indirectly by circumstantial evidence.”
Note that the idea that to conduct a proper study for safety and effectiveness that includes examining the vaccine’s effect on mortality would be “unethical” because it would deprive the control group of the supposed benefits of the vaccine rests on the fallacy of begging the question. It also leads to the absurd corollary that it is ethical to instead treat the entire population as subjects of a mass uncontrolled experiment without informed consent.
Searching for circumstantial evidence of a positive impact of the vaccine, they limited their analysis to children at higher risk: “infants younger than one year of age and children from one to four years of age.” They presented consecutive five-year periods from 1900 through 1974 for each age group, from which data “it is clear that the decline in mortality from pertussis accelerated in the 1940s.”
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