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Lies, manipulation of the media? Not from dear, high-minded, scientifically wonderful Monsanto? Tell me it ain't so...

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"Monsanto executive William Heydens proposed that the company "ghost-write" one paper. In an email, Heydens wrote that "we would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit & sign their names so to speak." Heydens wrote that this is how Monsanto had "handled" an earlier paper on glyphosate's safety."


So studies might NOT be "science"?
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"Monsanto executive William Heydens proposed that the company "ghost-write" one paper. In an email, Heydens wrote that "we would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit & sign their names so to speak." Heydens wrote that this is how Monsanto had "handled" an earlier paper on glyphosate's safety."


So studies might NOT be "science"?
We've got to check in with some of those pro glyphosate "experts" to find out what constitutes science. But the general rule seems to be that if the science supports Monsanto or Merck it is good science. If the science makes Monsanto or Merck look like greedy creeps, then it is bad science.

Read through some of the old threads in this forum for examples.
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Well, that didn't take long...

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A call for updated science on glyphosate, including monitoring actual people who have actually been exposed. http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/20...ch-2016-208463

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Essay




Is it time to reassess current safety standards for glyphosate-based herbicides?



  1. Laura N Vandenberg1,
  2. Bruce Blumberg2,
  3. Michael N Antoniou3,
  4. Charles M Benbrook4,5,
  5. Lynn Carroll6,
  6. Theo Colborn6,¥,
  7. Lorne G Everett7,
  8. Michael Hansen8,
  9. Philip J Landrigan9,
  10. Bruce P Lanphear10,
  11. Robin Mesnage3,
  12. Frederick S vom Saal11,
  13. Wade V Welshons12,
  14. John Peterson Myers13,14
  15. Author affiliations





Abstract

Use of glyphosate-based herbicides (GBHs) increased ∼100-fold from 1974 to 2014. Additional increases are expected due to widespread emergence of glyphosate-resistant weeds, increased application of GBHs, and preharvest uses of GBHs as desiccants. Current safety assessments rely heavily on studies conducted over 30 years ago. We have considered information on GBH use, exposures, mechanisms of action, toxicity and epidemiology. Human exposures to glyphosate are rising, and a number of in vitro and in vivo studies challenge the basis for the current safety assessment of glyphosate and GBHs. We conclude that current safety standards for GBHs are outdated and may fail to protect public health or the environment. To improve safety standards, the following are urgently needed: (1) human biomonitoring for glyphosate and its metabolites; (2) prioritisation of glyphosate and GBHs for hazard assessments, including toxicological studies that use state-of-the-art approaches; (3) epidemiological studies, especially of occupationally exposed agricultural workers, pregnant women and their children and (4) evaluations of GBHs in commercially used formulations, recognising that herbicide mixtures likely have effects that are not predicted by studying glyphosate alone.









http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/jech-2016-208463

"Skeptics" will be calling out the authors and claiming that new science isn't needed.

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Even a call for new scientific studies will be condemned, with proclamations that there is NOTHING to discuss.

How in the world these corporate defenders can call themselves "skeptics" I do not know.
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Here is a defense of Glyphosate. Not directed at this particular article, but at the cancer concerns raised in the last year. http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-...isk-assessment

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Scores of studies have been carried out over the past forty years and they have found no connection between glyphosate and cancer. Its use has been approved by regulatory agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, throughout the world. Moreover, the I.A.R.C. does not include draft analyses in its assessments because, being drafts, they are subject to change. For that reason, the group omitted the conclusions of a comprehensive new study by the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment. The organization reviewed hundreds of toxicological studies and nearly a thousand published reports. It found, based on available data, neither “carcinogenic or mutagenic properties of glyphosate nor that glyphosate is toxic to fertility, reproduction or embryonal/fetal development in laboratory animals.” (The one study that strongly contradicts that consensus, published by Gilles-Éric Séralini, has been retracted and subjected to intense criticism for its lack of rigor and for the ethics of his research methods.)
I feel that I should argue both sides, just to be fair and due to the shortage of corporate science enthusiasts in the forum these days.
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Twenty years and many doctors still don't know how to diagnose these conditions.
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And then there is ultrasound. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hum...emn-ultrasound
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Pro GMO people keep talking about how this scientist's critical study on GMOs has been retracted. Of course it has been re-published one more time than it has been retracted at this point.

and now one of his attackers is in deep trouble.

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During that court case, Fellous used or copied the signature of a scientist without his agreement (“forgery” and “use of forgery”) to argue that Séralini and his co-researchers were wrong in their reassessment of Monsanto studies. The Séralini team’s re-assessment reported finding signs of toxicity in the raw data from Monsanto’s own rat feeding studies with GM maize.

The new court ruling means that Fellous will be sentenced in a few months’ time – probably in early 2017 – at a public correctional hearing. The use of forgery in a court case is a serious offence and may result in a jail sentence.

The ruling marks a second court victory this year for Prof Séralini, his research team, and CRIIGEN. On September 7 they won a libel suit in the Appeals Court against Marianne magazine and its journalist Jean-Claude Jaillette, who repeated the defamatory words of the American pro-tobacco and -GMO lobbyist Henry I. M*i*l*l*e*r.
I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that M*i*l*l*e*r is one of the people who has been defaming Rachel Carson. Yes! Found a Forbes article by this author which is a very strong attack on Ms. Carson. The environmental movement is her fault, you see...especially those mean people who don't love and adore pesticides and herbicides...and therefore want everyone to starve.
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Another article about Seralini and the court struggles. http://www.gmoseralini.org/seralinis...cide-research/

and another http://www.realfarmacy.com/seralini-defamation-lawsuit/

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Seralini and his research team weren’t completely satisfied with getting their studies republished and defending their work to a mostly uninterested mainstream media. They formed a group called CRIIGEN, the acronym for Comité de Recherche et d’Information Indépendantes sur le Génie Génétique, or Committee for Independent Research and Information on Genetic Engineering, and fought back.
Keep in mind the attacks on Seralini et al focused on the tumors, which had a high visual media impact. But Seralini and team weren’t testing for cancerous effects primarily. Their toxicity analysis focused on long term effects on liver and kidney health, where they did find indisputable evidence of gross harm.
Professor Seralini’s study was a chronic toxicity study, not a full-scale carcinogenicity study. Therefore he conservatively did not do a statistical analysis of the tumors and mortality findings. Instead he simply reported them, without drawing definitive conclusions.
This was in line with the OECD (Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development) chronic toxicity protocol, which requires that any “lesions”, including tumors, observed are recorded.
So Seralini and CRIIGEN conspired to attack rather than just defend, which they did well with support from many international scientists. They successfully challenged Marianne Magazine and it’s feature journalist Jean-Claude Jaillet for publicly claiming in 2012 that Seralini and his team were guilty of “scientific fraud in which the methodology served to reinforce predetermined results”.
I don't see any pro-GMO people trying to sort out the latest news on this battle.

But I don't suppose they'll admit to fraud, defamation or forgery going on in the defense of GMOs and Monsanto, do you? That wouldn't be "skeptical".
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Corrupt lawyers http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_...ayouts-players

But everyone is okay with calling lawyers corrupt it seems.

Just don't criticize Monsanto or Merck.
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Novartis is in trouble for faking "events" which might have been a form of kickbacks for doctors who boosted the number of prescriptions they wrote. http://www.fiercepharma.com/legal/ki...00-sham-events

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According to the feds, the presentations were often cursory at best and sometimes didn't take place at all. The DOJ says they were essentially social occasions disguised as educational programs. Novartis held some events in noisy restaurants without private dining rooms where speakers might have set up slide presentations. Physicians repeatedly attended programs on the same topic, the government said.
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I was reading a novel where a couple of buildings turn out to be contaminated with asbestos and realized that another catastrophic denial/cover-up had been left out of this thread. https://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/cover-up/

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For balance, I'll see if I can find an argument on the other side.

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I'm going to go way back in pubmed and see if I can find some denial of harm studies.

Nope, although there were hundreds of case reports of disease from exposure to asbestos. The system for ignoring case reports wasn't well developed back in the 1920s.
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Anyway, the asbestos story is another example of the people who were injured being ignored in favor of ongoing profits for industrial giants.
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Here's a free documentary called Stink. (I only know of this link on Mercola's site. But don't miss out on the doc just because you aren't a fan of his.) Think the government agencies such as the EPA are protecting you? Prepared to be disappointed and disgusted.

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The idea for the film originated from director Jon Whelan's experience in tracking down the source of a strong chemical odor that wafted off new pajamas he'd purchased for his two young daughters.

After discovering the toxic stench was a trade secret held by the parent company of popular American tween store Justice, Whelan began investigating the fragrance industry, which he suggests is valued at $100 billion.

What Whelan found is that manufacturers, with the aggressive backing of the chemical industry, routinely conceal thousands of potentially toxic ingredients in the baby care, household and personal care products you and your family use every day.

They do so by using the term "fragrance," which is entirely free of government oversight and safety regulations.2
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Here's a free documentary called Stink. (I only know of this link on Mercola's site. But don't miss out on the doc just because you aren't a fan of his.) Think the government agencies such as the EPA are protecting you? Prepared to be disappointed and disgusted.



http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...cumentary.aspx
Wow, that is a perfect example for this thread! Thank you.
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And then there is the opioid epidemic which is killing many more people than measles or mumps or even (deadly) chickenpox! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle31547148

And these articles never seem to be able to figure out how doctors got sucked into prescribing these drugs inappropriately. It just sort of "happened" apparently.

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“The assumption is that these deaths are happening among junkies, but that is very, very wrong,” Dr. Benedikt Fischer, senior scientist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, told the conference.
“The people who are dying are not street users; they are being introduced to these drugs medically.”
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Ads from supposedly objective groups, but pharma money is involved. https://theintercept.com/2017/04/10/...ice-astroturf/

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The ads have appeared as legislators are taking up proposals designed to lower drug prices — potentially cutting into the profits of the big drugmakers. A bill proposed by Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., would reverse a 2003 law that prohibits Medicare from using its collective bargaining power to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices. The ban on negotiation was originally authored by legislators working closely with PhRMA lobbyists, and the sponsor of the ban later became a PhRMA lobbyist.
“Will government price setting lower the cost of her prescription drugs? Will government rationing increase his access to new, life-saving medicines?” asks the full-page ad sponsored by the ACU. The ad features a stock image of senior citizens with puzzled looks across their faces.

Another ad, from Americans for Tax Reform, a conservative advocacy group devoted to reducing taxes, warns that Medicare Part D, the prescription drug benefit arm of Medicare, might soon be threatened by lawmakers seeking to repeal “Part D’s protection against government interference in prescription drug pricing.”
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I did point out somewhere that the enzyme that targets bacteria is not just a problem for plants. https://www.law360.com/environmental...t-over-roundup

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“Monsanto is aware of how glyphosate works on the shikimate pathway, and ... is aware of studies showing that the shikimate pathway is present in bacteria integral to the digestive systems of people and pets. Monsanto therefore knows that glyphosate targets an enzyme present not only in plants, but also in people and pets,” the complaint said.

“While Consumers lack the scientific knowledge necessary to determine whether Roundup does in fact target an enzyme found in plants but not in people or pets, or to assess the health effects of Roundup in humans or animals,” the complaint added.

By allegedly deceiving consumers in this way, the groups say that Monsanto can sell more Roundup at a higher price, and consumers pay a different kind of price.

“Monsanto aggressively markets Roundup as safe for humans and animals, despite recent studies indicating that glyphosate may be carcinogenic and affect human and animal cardiovascular, endocrine, nervous and reproductive systems,” the complaint said.
Looks like someone is deceiving people about the science...
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The new EPA administrator Scott Pruitt refused to ban the pesticide chlorpyrifos that the EPA (his own agency) has stated is unsafe. Because... science.


Pruitt said in a statement. “By reversing the previous administration’s steps to ban one of the most widely used pesticides in the world, we are returning to using sound science in decision-making"


So, his own scientists at the EPA don't know science. But, don't worry. The makers of the product, Dow AgroScience says it's safe.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2d9e5863b510
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The new EPA administrator Scott Pruitt refused to ban the pesticide chlorpyrifos that the EPA (his own agency) has stated is unsafe. Because... science.


Pruitt said in a statement. “By reversing the previous administration’s steps to ban one of the most widely used pesticides in the world, we are returning to using sound science in decision-making"


So, his own scientists at the EPA don't know science. But, don't worry. The makers of the product, Dow AgroScience says it's safe.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2d9e5863b510
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Bumping up this thread as a reminder that corrupted science is all over the place and that it isn't all that expensive to buy a few scientists when needed.
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If it takes a long time and a lot of dead bodies to figure out that science has gone astray, can we really keep insisting that our current scientific system "works"? http://www.investors.com/politics/co...health-crisis/

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For example, when a major study of low-fat diets found that they had no positive effect on women's health, "a consensus quickly formed that the study -- meticulously planned, lavishly funded, overseen by impressively credentialed researchers -- must have been so flawed as to be meaningless," Leslie notes.
Yudkin's plight should be a cautionary tale to anyone who thinks we should blindly follow a scientific consensus, particularly when it involves extraordinarily complex entities like the human body, or when the consensus is used to push public policies that could affect vast populations.
Quick, someone jump in and explain, yet again, how special the scientific consensus is around vaccines...
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Bumping up this thread as a reminder that corrupted science is all over the place and that it isn't all that expensive to buy a few scientists when needed.
Is this referring to something recent and/or specific? I don't recall seeing anything but I miss a lot ;-).

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Is this referring to something recent and/or specific? I don't recall seeing anything but I miss a lot ;-).

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There is a mountain of stuff in this thread! Post 148 and post 205 are both on the big sugar dangers manipulation. That was what I was thinking of specifically.
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Long-term losses in people exposed to lead in childhood. That stuff has really cost humanity and will continue to cost humanity because the lead paint will continue to re-emerge and poison new children and, as we see in Flint, many lead pipes are still in place, just waiting for a bit of wrong judgement.

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These negative correlations include IQ adult scores lowered by 1.61 points, perceptual reasoning skills lowered by 2.07 points, and working memory lessened by 1.26 points. Additionally, socioeconomic status was decreased by 1.79. Out of all participants, 40% demonstrated declines in IQ and socioeconomic status from childhood to adulthood, with downward mobility mediated by cognitive weakening beginning in childhood.
and we really know for sure that injecting aluminum salt containing vaccines during pregnancy won't have subtle long-term effects? There hasn't been any real follow-up on these babies in terms of neurological functioning.
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Real support for GMOs or orchestrated support managed by Monsanto? https://www.rt.com/usa/386858-monsan...-trolls-court/

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“Monsanto even started the aptly-named ‘Let Nothing Go’ program to leave nothing, not even Facebook comments, unanswered; through a series of third parties, it employs individuals who appear to have no connection to the industry, who in turn post positive comments on news articles and Facebook posts, defending Monsanto, its chemicals, and GMOs,” the document reads.
On a larger scale, Monsanto allegedly “quietly funnels money to ‘think tanks’ such as the ‘Genetic Literacy Project’ and the ‘American Council on Science and Health”– organizations intended to shame scientists and highlight information helpful to Monsanto and other chemical producers,” according to the plaintiffs.
The accusations are backed by a batch of emails, used in court as evidence, which were written by some Monsanto executives, instructing the staff to “ghost-write” articles and then have some “independent scientists” just sign their names under the “study” in order to reduce costs.
Very grim.
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Apparently this guy got hauled into court because he recommended a high-fat, low carb diet for a baby. He won. But the dietary guidelines in South Africa are managed by the sugar cartel, so no changes should be expected. http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytim...nal-guidelines

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The World Health Organisation has stated that it's a conflict of interest for those getting funding from such companies to hand out dietary advice on a national level. Nonetheless, the South African Sugar Association funded the workshop which produced the country's first official dietary guidelines, developed by exactly these people. They have ensured that our guidelines toe the same incorrect line as the US: namely, deflecting all blame from sugars and carbs onto fat.
Need another reminder of why vaccines are immune to any sort of corruption or regulatory capture...
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