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Memes, Yay or Nay

There was a request to the moderators that this forum once again include member posted memes. Our kindly guide and manager pointed out that copyright would be an issue and that anyone who posted a meme would need to be able to show that there was no problem with copyright.



Are there other issues? Discuss. I'll keep this thread near the top for a couple of weeks so y'all have a chance to vote and comment.
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I had a lot of fun with the last thread that featured memes - 1000s of them!

I do not understand the copyright thing - we are not profiting from posting and I never said any of them were mine, so what is the problem?

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I had a lot of fun with the last thread that featured memes - 1000s of them!

I do not understand the copyright thing - we are not profiting from posting and I never said any of them were mine, so what is the problem?
i also don't get the copyright thing..thousands of memes posted all over FB/other internet social sites without credit to the mememaker -- isn't that a violation too? Or, people pull stock photos from google and add their own words -- no copyright infringement happening in that type of situation, if the pic used doesn't have a watermark or other identifying symbol.

What about those of us who draw and make our own memes?
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It is only illegal to share a meme with a copyright symbol on it. https://thelawtog.com/memes-violate-copyright-law/

I have never, ever seen such a meme.

A reasonable policy would be to allow use of memes and infographics that A) don't have a copyright symbol and B) don't violate MDC's UA, (e.g. insults and name-calling).

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It is only illegal to share a meme with a copyright symbol on it. https://thelawtog.com/memes-violate-copyright-law/

I have never, ever seen such a meme.

A reasonable policy would be to allow use of memes and infographics that A) don't have a copyright symbol and B) don't violate MDC's UA, (e.g. insults and name-calling).
I'm wondering if our kindly hosts may have liability for what they permit. The forums include advertising and if a meme attracts an additional 1,000 people, that probably means a little more income.



Copyright stuff is immensely confusing.
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Bumping this up in the hope that a few more people will see it and respond.
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What about posting this you like to watch such as videos could we do that or would it fall under this copyright thing?
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What about posting this you like to watch such as videos could we do that or would it fall under this copyright thing?
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When we post a meme, we are actually pasting in an image with pictures and words.
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This is a great related video:
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I have no issue with memes as long as they do not break the UA.
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You have to admit, this meme is cute: https://www.minds.com/media/904902679467696128
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It is only illegal to share a meme with a copyright symbol on it. https://thelawtog.com/memes-violate-copyright-law/

I have never, ever seen such a meme.

A reasonable policy would be to allow use of memes and infographics that A) don't have a copyright symbol and B) don't violate MDC's UA, (e.g. insults and name-calling).
I don't see in that link anything about copyright symbols--what am I missing? It seems like legality is determined based on a four-factor fair use analysis.

I don't have an issue with memes personally, but I would understand it if mothering.com's lawyers didn't think it was worth the risk.
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I don't have an issue with memes personally, but I would understand it if mothering.com's lawyers didn't think it was worth the risk.

MDC has lawyers???
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MDC has lawyers???
I have no specific knowledge about whether they do, but I would assume that MDC (or, more likely, whatever company owns MDC) either has lawyers on staff or has outside counsel, who would be consulted on questions like this.

For example, I assume the language here was written by, or in consultation with, MDC's attorneys:

https://www.mothering.com/articles/terms-of-use/

ETA that I read a bit further in that link and see that VerticalScope, which owns MDC, has a legal department that handles MDC copyright issues:

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I know that when Peggy/Cynthia took the option away years ago, the rationale was to avoid UAVs because memes can often be insulting. I thought it was overkill because there are all memes that aren't, but obviously none of us were in a position to argue.

I did find some interesting dirt on VerticalScope and copyright, however. https://bardsandsages.com/juliedawso...rreaching-tos/
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This really inaccurate meme is turning up over and over again.
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Pregnancy memes for you to enjoy -
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"Vaccines are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get - acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy, allergies, anaphylaxis, asthma, autoimmune disease, diabetes, eczema, petit/gran mal seizures, fibromyalgia, Henoch-Schonlein purpua, Dravet's Syndrome, Retts Syndrome, Sweet's Syndrome, Hughes Syndrome, encephalitis, speech delay, tics, neurological damage, coma, ADEM, ADHD, AFP, ASIA, CFS, CRPS, GBS, ITP, JPA, JRA, LGS, LKS, MS, OMS, ORS, PANDAS, PANS, PINTANDS, POF, POTS, RA, SIDS, SJS, SLE, SPD, SUDS, TPI, the disease one is being vaccinated against, or death."

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Pet Peeve:
Some things about memes on vaccinating are not sounding so smart. When one makes a meme to depict vaccines in a particular light to appeal to others, at least make sure the words used are spelled correctly. I can't tell you how many times I've seen missspelled words to convey a message on the danger of vaccines -- how can it be taken seriously when one can't spell correctly, or use proper grammer?
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Generic meme with stock photo -- it speaks the language the pro side will understand, as they display with their verbal behavior.
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Typically dumb pro-vaccine thinking. There is no vaccine against colds and a child sick with the flu isn't likely to be at school, if they really have flu after getting the vaccine and not just a flu like illness.



So sneezing into their lunchbox isn't likely to make anything any worse than it already is and given that the unvaxed probably have healthier immune systems may not have any effect.
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Typically dumb pro-vaccine thinking. There is no vaccine against colds and a child sick with the flu isn't likely to be at school, if they really have flu after getting the vaccine and not just a flu like illness.



So sneezing into their lunchbox isn't likely to make anything any worse than it already is and given that the unvaxed probably have healthier immune systems may not have any effect.
on the flipside, a newly vaccinated child with DTaP(or whatever), could potentially shed into the lunchbox, therefore causing another child to contract pertussis, since we know that component can shed - guess who will get the blame for being unvaxxed, and now a campaign for new laws, a media spin to follow, etc,etc.

The only way that situation wouldn't happen is if the mother of the child with pertussis doesn't go to the dr for confirmation of such, as he will report to the dept of health about the infectious disease.
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on the flipside, a newly vaccinated child with DTaP(or whatever), could potentially shed into the lunchbox, therefore causing another child to contract pertussis, since we know that component can shed - guess who will get the blame for being unvaxxed, and now a campaign for new laws, a media spin to follow, etc,etc.

Do you mean that a child vaccinated with DTaP could still be infected with pertussis, and capable of transmitting infection, even though they display no symptoms themselves (or symptoms with no diagnosis)?



The pertussis component of the vaccine, will not shed and cause infection in the sense that we discuss "shedding," in relationship to live, attenuated, viral vaccines.


You can only make ambiguous statements if you are writing for main stream media or defending a vaccine!
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Do you mean that a child vaccinated with DTaP could still be infected with pertussis, and capable of transmitting infection, even though they display no symptoms themselves (or symptoms with no diagnosis)?



The pertussis component of the vaccine, will not shed and cause infection in the sense that we discuss "shedding," in relationship to live, attenuated, viral vaccines.


You can only make ambiguous statements if you are writing for main stream media or defending a vaccine!
maybe my memory is foggy about the links i read on this site......maybe it said only adults recently vaccinated were capable of transmitting pertussis without symptoms...hmmm
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maybe my memory is foggy about the links i read on this site......maybe it said only adults recently vaccinated were capable of transmitting pertussis without symptoms...hmmm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24277828

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To test our hypothesis, infant baboons were vaccinated at 2, 4, and 6 mo of age with aP or whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccines and challenged with B. pertussis at 7 mo. Infection was followed by quantifying colonization in nasopharyngeal washes and monitoring leukocytosis and symptoms. Baboons vaccinated with aP were protected from severe pertussis-associated symptoms but not from colonization, did not clear the infection faster than naïve animals, and readily transmitted B. pertussis to unvaccinated contacts. Vaccination with wP induced a more rapid clearance compared with naïve and aP-vaccinated animals.
these infants, that had just, completed the series "readily transmitted."


The aP vaccine will not prevent colonization or transmission. That's why children are up to 6 doses DTaP/Tdap's between the ages of 2mos and the 11 or 12 years.


https://www.bu.edu/sph/2017/09/21/re...nt-infections/

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“This disease is back because we didn’t really understand how our immune defenses against whooping cough worked, and did not understand how the vaccines needed to work to prevent it,” said Christopher J. Gill, associate professor of global health and lead author of the article. “Instead we layered assumptions upon assumptions, and now find ourselves in the uncomfortable position of admitting that we may made some crucial errors. This is definitely not where we thought we’d be in 2017.”
But vaccines are safe and effective. The children who are behind on one of the 6 aP vaccines will be counted as unvaccinated, in the media, and blamed for the spread. Heck, they may be fully vaccinated for pertussis and only behind on a single vaccine for something unrelated to pertussis. Still get the blame. But we're all crazy.


Parents who are choosing not to vaccinate, need to be aware of this situation too. Your infant/child, is not going to be protected in a group of vaccinated children OR adults if pertussis is circulating. They are the safest in a group of those who have recovered from pertussis naturally.

Around 2/3 of the way down, Suzanne Humphries talks about pertussis. You might find it helpful
http://drsuzanne.net/dr-suzanne-hump...s-vaccination/

The pertussis component of the vaccine is a subunit. It will not shed for that reason.
This might be helpful for review


https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types/index.html
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I hate to highjack the thread but this is a topic that people really need to understand
Thank you for presenting the opportunity to discuss it!
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I hate to highjack the thread but this is a topic that people really need to understand
Thank you for presenting the opportunity to discuss it!
i'm familiar with all that you mentioned

I also have had friends in the last 3yrs or so, have new babies, -- newborn is sent home from hospital with a 'little congestion'...a couple days to a couple weeks later - BAM! Pertussis diagnosis, and drs and parents (newly vaxxed with TDaP) are wringing their hands over which unvaccinated person sickened the infant and how it happened. All infants were hospitalized, and survived. And parents pushing the pertussis vax now, too - with no investigation on their own how their child contracted pertussis.
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