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#121 of 168 Old 10-04-2020, 12:28 PM
 
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Don't do the vaccine! They want massive genocide!
Will the mass genocide be from the vaccine or not doing the vaccine?

Either way, nah dude, over the top.

ETA: thanks, Hyacinthe. Interesting information!
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Mandatory childhood vaccination could cause “irreparable damage,” says expert panel

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Article 36 protects the child from “any activity that takes advantage of them or could harm their welfare and development” which would surely include any vaccine induced harm which impacts on their well being and their development?
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"Vaccines are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get - acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy, allergies, anaphylaxis, asthma, autoimmune disease, diabetes, eczema, petit/gran mal seizures, fibromyalgia, Henoch-Schonlein purpua, Dravet's Syndrome, Retts Syndrome, Sweet's Syndrome, Hughes Syndrome, encephalitis, speech delay, tics, neurological damage, coma, ADEM, ADHD, AFP, ASIA, CFS, CRPS, GBS, ITP, JPA, JRA, LGS, LKS, MS, OMS, ORS, PANDAS, PANS, PINTANDS, POF, POTS, RA, SIDS, SJS, SLE, SPD, SUDS, TPI, the disease one is being vaccinated against, or death."

Paraphrased from "Forrest Gump".

List from the drug companies' own package inserts that come with their product as required by law.
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This article gives good insight into the mental processes of vaccine enthusiasts. https://www.healio.com/news/primary-...vaccine-trials


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That idea that kids are sort of not getting sick, they're not getting infected and they're not passing COVID-19 on, is no longer true. We know that kids are getting infected, and we see them passing it — just go to any school, nowadays, you'll see that children are getting COVID-19. And they are passing it to other children. So, the idea that they're somehow exempt from this viral pathogen isn't true anymore.

Except in Sweden. Oh and Switzerland, where they concluded that children under 10 do not pass it on.
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Another pause of vaccine trial: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Stat-News.html
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Johnson & Johnson confirmed the news to Stat News, saying it was due to 'an unexplained illness in a study participant.'
The company declined to provide further details and cited patient privacy.
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'Serious adverse events are not uncommon in clinical trials, and the number of serious adverse events can reasonably be expected to increase in trials involving large numbers of participants. Further, as many trials are placebo-controlled, it is not always immediately apparent whether a participant received a study.'
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Yes, yesterday, Johnston & Johnston, today Eli Lilly. Last week it was AstraZeneca Plc.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/25/us/jo...nse/index.html - strong immune response?= autoimmune disease!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eli-l...185545949.html - a "safety concern"? So much for safe and effective! How about unavoidably unsafe!
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Paraphrased from "Forrest Gump".

List from the drug companies' own package inserts that come with their product as required by law.
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I'm reaching a point where I just can't stand it any longer.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pfiz...nagers-2020-10
As young as 12...
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don't do the vaccine! They want massive genocide!
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I honestly believe there is no COVID. Right around the time italy was overwhelmed in hospitals is when they put out this new experimental vaccine. Also, the way they have been accounting for covid deaths has been false they were picking up antibodies in peoples bodies at such low doses saying they had COVID also marking people as having it when they dont. Coronavirus is a cold this is the biggest hoax meant to usher in the New World Order, vaccines that cause more harm then any virus to poison our bodies and minds alter our DNA, microchips vaccine passports and invisible tattoos, complete control or where we can and can not go loss of individual freedoms. This is trully terrifying.
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I honestly believe there is no COVID. Right around the time italy was overwhelmed in hospitals is when they put out this new experimental vaccine.
What vaccine was that?

And what killed over 200k Americans in 7mos? A cold?
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What vaccine was that?

And what killed over 200k Americans in 7mos? A cold?

Do we have the statistics of how many Americans died overall during the last 7 months?


Also the total number who died during the same period last year and the year before that etc.
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Do we have the statistics of how many Americans died overall during the last 7 months?


Also the total number who died during the same period last year and the year before that etc.
i am sure they are there if you dig hard enough

heart disease killed many in one year too
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Do we have the statistics of how many Americans died overall during the last 7 months?
Also the total number who died during the same period last year and the year before that etc.
Of course, and you don't have to dig that hard to find them.

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes, March-July 2020
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2771761
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Death data for 2014-2020 and population counts for the 50 states and the District of Columbia were obtained from the National Center for Health Statistics and US Census Bureau...

Between March 1 and August 1, 2020, 1,336,561 deaths occurred in the US, a 20% increase over expected deaths.
Of the 225,530 excess deaths, 150,541 (67%) were attributed to COVID-19.

Although total US death counts are remarkably consistent from year to year, US deaths increased by 20% during March-July 2020. COVID-19 was a documented cause of only 67% of these excess deaths. Some states had greater difficulty than others in containing community spread, causing protracted elevations in excess deaths that extended into the summer. US deaths attributed to some noninfectious causes increased during COVID-19 surges.

US mortality rates for heart disease increased between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 driven by the spring surge in COVID-19 cases. Mortality rates for Alzheimer disease/dementia increased twice, between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 and between weeks ending June 6 and July 25, the latter coinciding with the summer surge in sunbelt states
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Excess Mortality During the Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19)
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Its all dependent on your immunity if your immunity is strong than you can survive the covid19 but if you are having a weak immunity then it is a problem for you so eat a lot of vitamin c rich food.
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For those of us in northern climates I would consider vit d as well, especially as we are going into low natural vit D months.
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Of course, and you don't have to dig that hard to find them.

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes, March-July 2020
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2771761


Also, here:
Excess Mortality During the Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19)
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Thanks for finding and sharing those numbers!
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I only thought I was feeling paranoid. Now I really get what it is to feel paranoid. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-vaccine/


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Last week, a rare media interview given by the Trump administration’s “Vaccine Czar” offered a brief glimpse into the inner workings of the extremely secretive Operation Warp Speed (OWS), the Trump administration’s “public-private partnership” for delivering a COVID-19 vaccine to 300 million Americans by next January. What was revealed should deeply unsettle all Americans.
During an interview with the Wall Street Journal published last Friday, the “captain” of OWS, career Big Pharma executive Moncef Slaoui, confirmed that the millions of Americans who are set to receive the project’s COVID-19 vaccine will be monitored via “incredibly precise … tracking systems” that will “ensure that patients each get two doses of the same vaccine and to monitor them for adverse health effects.” Slaoui also noted that tech giants Google and Oracle have been contracted as part of this “tracking system” but did not specify their exact roles beyond helping to “collect and track vaccine data.”

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Despite the claims in these documents that the “pharmacovigilance surveillance system” would intimately involve the FDA, top FDA officials stated in September that they were barred from attending OWS meetings and told reporters they could not explain the operation’s organization or when or with what frequency its leadership meets. The FDA officials did state, however, that they “are still allowed to interact with companies developing products for OWS,” STAT reported.
In addition, the FDA has apparently “set up a firewall between the vast majority of staff and the initiative [Operation Warp Speed]” that appears to drastically limit the number of FDA officials with any knowledge of or involvement in Warp Speed. The FDA’s director of the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, Janet Woodcock, is the only FDA official listed as having any direct involvement in OWS and appears to be personally managing this “firewall” at the FDA. Woodcock describes herself as a long-time advocate for the use of “big data” in the evaluation of drug and vaccine safety and has been intimately involved in FDA precursors to the coming Warp Speed “pharmacovigilance surveillance system” known as Sentinel and PRISM, both of which are discussed later in this report.
Woodcock is currently on a temporary leave of absence from her role as the director of the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, which allows her to focus her complete attention on overseeing aspects of OWS on behalf of the FDA’s Office of the Commissioner. Her temporary replacement at the FDA, Patrizia Cavazzoni, is “very aligned with Janet and where the agency is going,” according to media reports. Cavazzoni is a former executive at Pfizer, one of the companies producing a vaccine for OWS. That vaccine is set to begin testing in children as young as 12 years old.
The extreme secrecy of OWS has affected not only the FDA but also the CDC, as a CDC expert panel normally involved in developing the government’s vaccine distribution strategies was “stonewalled” by Matt Hepburn, OWS’s vaccine coordinator, who bluntly refused to answer several of the panel’s “pointed questions” about the highly secretive operation.
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and then theres this bullshit....ANYTHING to stir the pot

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/healt...ner/index.html

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and then theres this bullshit....ANYTHING to stir the pot

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/healt...ner/index.html

Interesting article. This bit for example:
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These claims were not always groundless, but their risks were consistently exaggerated. Cases had been known to occur of secondary disease transmission due to poor practice. Some physicians used arm-to-arm vaccination — meaning they would use the same instrument to vaccinate a whole line of people — or used vaccine prepared from a human source rather than a bovine source. The lack of sterile cleaning between operations or the use of vaccine prepared from an infected person could lead to rare cases of secondary disease transmissions.
The discovery of such transmissions (years earlier) sparked some of the first regulations around vaccine preparation and administration, and generated a keen concern within the medical community about vaccine safety — a concern which has continued to be a mainstay of vaccine production to this day.
Admit that vaccination did, in fact, spread disease and then claim that doctors eventually understood this reality (after they made significant numbers of people ill) and isn't it wonderful that practices changed? How long did it take? How many people ended up infected with deadly diseases? How many problems with vaccination were denied or covered up?


I can recall pro-vaccine members in this forum pointing out that this or that problem was eventually recognized and isn't that wonderful and doesn't it prove that science works?
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Now using children in the trials...with the claim how it is "perfectly safe''....saw it announced on Today...along with the claim a childs immune system is mature by 3yrs old.

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Now using children in the trials...with the claim how it is "perfectly safe''....saw it announced on Today...along with the claim a childs immune system is mature by 3yrs old.

Thoughts?
At the risk of sounding cynical, children have less legal rights than adults. And if a vaccine is developed, mandating a Covid vaccine for all adults is a tricky business. In recent polling only 47% of Democrats, 18% of Republicans, and 32% of likely voters supported a national mandate for a Covid vaccine. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...in-each-party/) People do not like mandates when they realize it could affect their choices.

However, the broader public seems very comfortable with vaccine mandates for children. Vaccines approved for children can be added to required school vaccines. This is assured profit for the manufactures. Children also have less legal recourse in the event of vaccine injury. As the lawyer in the video applejuice posted (thread "State movement to remove 1986 law...") pointed out, more than 50% of claims paid through the federal Vaccine Court are now paid to adults (which was not the intent of the 1986 law). It is very difficult to get a child's case heard by the court.

In order to get the vaccine approved for children you need to test it on them. Healthy adults are having some severe reactions in the current trials. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coro...headaches.html) If this proves to continue once the vaccine is approved, it may be decided that the potential side-effects are too severe for the population at most risk of complications from Covid. So, the safest way to protect the most vulnerable is to vaccine the kids so they don't spread it. That will be the justification.
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Here's some excepts from the article mentioned above. This is for the two Phase 3 Covid vaccine trials that have NOT been paused - Moderna and Pfizer's. If these are not uncommon side-effects in healthy adults, what about elderly and not so healthy adults?

Coronavirus Vaccine Trial Participants Report Day-Long Exhaustion, Fever and Headaches — But Say It’s Worth It
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“If this proves to work, people are going to have to toughen up,” she said. “The first dose is no big deal. And then the second dose will definitely put you down for the day for sure. ... You will need to take a day off after the second dose.”
She said other people in the trial have joined a couple of private Facebook groups and have shared similar experiences.

A Maryland participant in his late 20s said he experienced nausea after the first shot, but it wasn’t until the second that he “really felt things.” He said he woke up at 1 a.m. with chills and a 104 fever. He said the fever went down after he took Advil and Tylenol but it lasted until around 8 p.m. “I wasn’t sure if I needed to go to the hospital or not because 104 is pretty high,” he said.

Another participant in Pfizer’s trial said he was up all night after the first shot from the pain of the injection. The booster injection he received caused more of that same pain in his arm, followed by intense flu-like symptoms that hit him around 1 a.m. He couldn’t sleep that night without an electric blanket, and shook so hard that it became uncontrollable and he cracked part of his tooth from chattering them.
“It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said, before he decided to see a doctor.

Hutchison said he’s concerned that the pharmaceutical manufacturers have not sufficiently informed the public about potential side effects. If the vaccines are approved, he fears, it might cause a widespread backlash if word spreads, which is why he decided to go public now.

A physician in Baltimore participating in the Pfizer study is due for his second dose on Saturday. While he said his symptoms were “very mild” for the first dose, he wouldn’t be surprised if others experienced symptoms more serious than a flu shot and said people should be prepared for that.
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I assume you mean vaccine trials?

As per immune systems being mature, I thought the powers that be like to claim their systems are mature by a year.

This is why some vaccine cannot be given to a year, or if you give them under a certain age you need more while a bout of chicken pox in a child under 1 is less likely to confer immunity, etc.

Do I think they should give it to 3 yr olds? Hell to the no. Make sure it is safe for adults before you give it to kids. There has not been enough time to determine that. Moreover, COVID is pretty benign in almost all children. I think the ethics around testing a vaccine on kids given the unknown safety profile and its general mildness in children is pretty shaky.
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I assume you mean vaccine trials?

As per immune systems being mature, I thought the powers that be like to claim their systems are mature by a year.

This is why some vaccine cannot be given to a year, or if you give them under a certain age you need more while a bout of chicken pox in a child under 1 is less likely to confer immunity, etc.

Do I think they should give it to 3 yr olds? Hell to the no. Make sure it is safe for adults before you give it to kids. There has not been enough time to determine that. Moreover, COVID is pretty benign in almost all children. I think the ethics around testing a vaccine on kids given the unknown safety profile and its general mildness in children is pretty shaky.
i always read the immune system isnt mature until about 9yrs old....keeps going lower by the decade
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Here's some excepts from the article mentioned above. This is for the two Phase 3 Covid vaccine trials that have NOT been paused - Moderna and Pfizer's. If these are not uncommon side-effects in healthy adults, what about elderly and not so healthy adults?

Coronavirus Vaccine Trial Participants Report Day-Long Exhaustion, Fever and Headaches — But Say It’s Worth It
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coro...headaches.html
The side effects sound pretty awful.

Not sure it will fly.

Vaccines for teens/adults that make people feel sick tend not to be popular, ex flu shot.

People are going to weigh what they think is the likelihood of them getting covid, and then getting a bad case of it versus likelihood of having severe side effects.
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i always read the immune system isnt mature until about 9yrs old....keeps going lower by the decade
They change their minds then wonder why we do not trust them, lol.

I get that they only know what they know and I do not fault them for that - however, I do not take any numbers/info as gospel.
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People act as though a vaccine will completely erase the entire covid problem.....as if the flu vaccine has managed to do that
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I wonder if we'll qualify for our own "micro-influencer"? Probably not. Unless we can convince a few thousand vaccine questioners to jump in here and start talking a whole lot. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-vaccine/
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Sunstein also advocated in 2008 that the government pay “independent experts” to publicly advocate on the government’s behalf, whether on television or social media. He says this is effective because people don’t trust the government as much as they trust people they believe are “independent.”
WHO has already contracted the public relations firm, Hill + Knowlton. The PR giant, best known for its role in manufacturing false testimonies in support of the Gulf War, was hired by WHO to “ensure the science and public health credibility of the WHO in order to ensure WHO’s advice and guidance is followed.”
WHO paid Hill + Knowlton $135,000 to identify micro-influencers, macro-influencers and “hidden heroes” who could covertly promote WHO’s advice and messaging on social media, and also protect and promote the organization’s image as a COVID-19 authority.
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of course, now threats that polio is going to make a comeback due to all the missed vaccinations happening....SMH

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/healt...-19/index.html
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If is is not polio, it will be those polio like symptoms. Remember that the victims here are fully vaccinated against polio.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...turn-this-fall
https://time.com/5875566/afm-accute-...myelitis-2020/

But I get your point that people are spacing out their pediatric WBVs and missing vaccinations, leading the MSM and govt to issue warnings and scare tactics.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/singapore...011440204.html

Singapore has halted its use of flu vaccines after 48 die in South Korea?

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South Korea reported that 48 have died as of Saturday after getting flu shots, but said it would carry on with the state-run vaccination programme as they found no direct link between the deaths and the shots. ... No deaths associated with influenza vaccination have been reported in Singapore to date, but the decision to halt the use of SKYCellflu Quadrivalent and VaxigripTetra was precautionary,
If only the US and CDC were so careful.
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