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The Almighty Covid Vaccine

Apparently there is NO other remedy for this other than coming up with a vaccine - of course!!!
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Acknowledging that rushing a vaccine for a virus type that has never had an effective or safe vaccine before. https://www.thedailybeast.com/corona...horribly-wrong


But apparently it wouldn't be that dangerous to rush out a bad vaccine if there weren't all those evil anti-vaccine people just waiting to point out that the vaccine a) didn't work or b) was killing people or c) didn't work AND killed people. Otherwise no one would notice.



Now, who is delusional?
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Apparently there is NO other remedy for this other than coming up with a vaccine - of course!!!

What do you suggest?
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What do you suggest?
I have no issues with them working on a vaccine - but I would hope that they are working on treatments as well.

It takes a while to produce and adequately test a vaccine. As vaccines are prophylactic and used on a mass scale, testing must be very rigorous. I cannot see a vaccine being available for 12-18 months, and any roll out of any earlier vaccine is going to cause concern.

Treatment, OTOH, if it is used on the very sick or possibly dying people does not need to have the same rigorous testing. Many drugs might have already undergone testing, if they are simply being used off label. Treatment will help people now, and is not turning healthy people into guinea pigs (and any new vaccine does use the population as guinea pigs).

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What do you suggest?
Like i said elsewhere -

they need to study this molecule more closely and identify the mutations before ANY vaccine is going into trials

Focusing on staying healthy should be top priority too - via common sense tactics -- enough sleep, eating right, any kinds of supplements that might help fend off viruses, etc,etc....

We NEED to study other alternatives besides JUST a vaccine being the answer to all of this.
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Another important point. There are a number of commonly used drugs that will increase someone's risk of getting ill. https://rxisk.org/medications-compro...id-infections/


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In the present situation of pandemia by SARS-CoV-2, it is imperative to avoid pneumonia or pneumonitis and related risk factors as much as possible. The consumption of various commonly used medicines increases the risk of and complications from pneumonia.
Medicines can increase the risk of pneumonia or pneumonitis by depressing immunity and other protective mechanisms (e.g., immunosuppressive agents, antipsychotic agents, some opioid analgesics, proton pump inhibitors), by causing sedation, which may increase the risk of aspiration, by depressing pulmonary ventilation and favouring the occurrence of atelectasis (e.g., opioid analgesics, anticholinergic drugs, psychotropic agents), or by a combination of these mechanisms.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/h...LCKe7792TWoSJ4

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Asthma Is Absent Among Top Covid-19 Risk Factors, Early Data Shows
Despite warnings that asthmatics were at higher risk
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This is an interesting article regarding breast feeding: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ths-birth.html

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This is why they always do their studies on safety of vaccination on breastfed babies in developing countries.
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Then use them on babies in "developed" countries whose guts have almost all been shredded by formula (yes, it makes little holes in the gut because nothing but breastmilk should be fed until around 6 months when the body produces a substance that protects the gut from food that isn't infant formula) and surprise surprise, the vaccine leaks through the gut into the body, injuring the baby.

You won't find the studies that showed the vaccines to be unsafe because they have never been published by the researchers as the funders won't allow it.
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So, in the present virus crisis perhaps the health professionals could stop completely b-----ing up breastfeeding. Let baby go to the breast before the placenta is delivered, leave cord until it stops pulsating before cutting, let baby feed from either breast whenever it wants, sleep in same room as baby, let baby feed when it is sleepy, don't use dummies, don't take baby to the nursery, and other such hippy nonsense. Formula feeding is and always has killed mothers and babies through infections. breast cancers etc etc. Time for the doctors, midwives and nurses to stop ruining breastfeeding and start getting an education that includes how it works.
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Human trials are starting up

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/healt...ntl/index.html
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After fast-tracking and not doing the animal trials. Very scientific.
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After fast-tracking and not doing the animal trials. Very scientific.

My translation: potentially dangerous, potentially profitable if they can hide the problems.
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A friend of mine signed up for the trial starting in Atlanta via the CDC - hope she survives ..she's 50+ and heavy smoker

( one type of person who condemns those who eat meat, yet will inject herself with animal derived/cultured vaccines, and push them, too)
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Elisa Granato, the first volunteer who availed herself in Oxford for a jab in the first Europe human trial of a vaccine to protect against the coronavirus pandemic has died.

https://n5ti.com/stories/1275/ <-- bad report.

I just read that she is alive. I am glad that she is alive, but I am sorry to alarm anyone. I should have waited for a verifying, confirmed report.
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Wow! This is towards the end of the article:
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“The four in critical conditions will be fine and these are expected reactions from the vaccines, hence a trial.” the researchers revealed and added that these observations would help improve on the vaccine before it becomes available for use by the public.
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A friend of mine signed up for the trial starting in Atlanta via the CDC - hope she survives ..she's 50+ and heavy smoker
Yikes, aren't the volunteers supposed to be healthy?
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Oh my! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/MotheringForum/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png[/IMG]

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Elisa Granato, the first volunteer who availed herself in Oxford for a jab in the first Europe human trial of a vaccine to protect against the coronavirus pandemic has died.
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She died two days after the vaccine was administered, authorities have said and added that an investigation into the cause of the death has been initiated.

A statement by the researchers said Elisa had complications few hours after taking the vaccine and died while on admission.
https://n5ti.com/stories/1275/
not sure about accuracy of this story. Waiting for confirmation from a second source.
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Video about Bill Gates and his outsize influence on public health, especially when it comes to vaccine programs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
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the friend who posted she's going to be a human guinea pig for the vax says

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Guess she didn't get the memo about the people who don't develop any immunity when receiving vaccines.

that was her reply to this someone posted

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People are now posting how they won't be able to see grandkids /family until a vaccine is found for this..

how absurd
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/12/fauc...O8xLlkHcVKuCiw

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Fauci tells Congress: ‘There’s no guarantee that the vaccine is actually going to be effective’
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Really? THOUSANDS?
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I think many people would be willing to be exposed to develop immunity and avoid the lockdown and vaccine.
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I think many people would be willing to be exposed to develop immunity and avoid the lockdown and vaccine.
being exposed doesn't always equal 'immunity'...it'll be interesting to see how this 'experiment' pans out,and how many will actually become 'sick til death'. opening the eyes of others to this dangerous kind of human experimentation. As we see now what's going on with states opening up, more cases are spreading.

Here in CA, colleges are not opening in the fall - online classes only
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And if thousands truly want to be exposed, all they have to do is go down south, or any other place, where caution isn't being used.
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And if thousands truly want to be exposed, all they have to do is go down south, or any other place, where caution isn't being used.

I'm sorry Emmy, but I'm closely following the stats and there is just not a rise in hospitalizations or even symptomatic cases following opening up. Even down south. Although there are a lot of CLAIMS that disastrous stuff is happening. People keep saying: just wait two weeks.



I'll explain.


Let's say that some state has been testing 1,000 people a week. Randomly. They have been finding 100 people who test positive.


More tests become available AND the state is opening up. They start testing 7,000 people a week. They find that 300 people test positive. Oh my goodness, the rate is rising! Well, no, actually the rate is falling. But you will only know that if the powers that be let you know how many people they are testing.



The other way the numbers can be bent is by testing only groups who are likely to test positive. People in prisons. People in really high risk jobs. Even then, with the way things are going, it may be necessary to hide how many tests it takes to get a scary positive rate.
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Here is the best source I've found.


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An excellent 15% drop in cases versus last Wednesday. We are averaging around a 12% drop per week in cases detected - DESPITE states now focusing on hot spots. 16 states are not reporting pandemic info, merely summary of diagnostics, via PCR daily reports.
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I think as states open up, we'll truly see the unfold of the reality of what's to come. I think no one truly knows what's going to happen, and all anyone can do is make an educated guess.

Maybe nothing will happen at all...

Maybe a mutation will occur, rendering this virus less virulent.

Maybe it will turn more deadly

Who knows?
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I think as states open up, we'll truly see the unfold of the reality of what's to come. I think no one truly knows what's going to happen, and all anyone can do is make an educated guess.

Maybe nothing will happen at all...

Maybe a mutation will occur, rendering this virus less virulent.

Maybe it will turn more deadly

Who knows?

There is some data. Here is an article on the experience in Wisconsin with in-person voting. https://fox6now.com/2020/05/06/epide...-inconclusive/


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Below is a summary of significant findings from individuals who tested positive during the reviewed timeframe and indicated that they had participated in the election:
  • 69.9% of identified individuals voted in-person
  • 57.1% were Black/African-American
  • 80.4% were from the City of Milwaukee
  • 49% experienced onset of symptoms prior to April 9, indicating they were likely infectious at the time of voting
  • Eight of the individuals are now hospitalized (14.3%), and none have died
  • 30 individuals (53.6%) reported that they had no other known potential exposures to COVID-19, such as being a health care worker, traveling or having contact with someone who was identified as COVID-19 positive
  • Zero deaths were found among the positive cases
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