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Someone help me understand, please.

I have stayed up on the news national and international regarding this outbreak - I understood Sweden was doing well, but then I read articles like this -

https://news.yahoo.com/swedish-coron...171806837.html

Is Sweden doing well or not?

I suspect the first casualty in this war against the Wahun virus is TRUTH!
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Someone help me understand, please.

I have stayed up on the news national and international regarding this outbreak - I understood Sweden was doing well, but then I read articles like this -

https://news.yahoo.com/swedish-coron...171806837.html

Is Sweden doing well or not?

I suspect the first casualty in this war against the Wahun virus is TRUTH!
I have been looking at information about Sweden for some weeks now, and I would call it a success. They have had more casualties than their neighbors, but most of them have been older people in nursing homes. The health minister has been quoted in several articles that I've read saying that their biggest failure has been in protecting people in care homes.

My personal opinion is that people in the U.S. (and other countries?) have unreasonable expectations when it comes to saving the lives of vulnerable populations, especially the very old, from something like this virus. I think that the fact that Sweden has managed to maintain something close to normal life for most of the population without mass death across the entire population (which is what I feel we've been led to believe would be the result of doing "nothing" or less than we've done) is as close to success as you can get. But I don't believe we can "beat" an all but unknown virus, so maybe I'm just a fatalist. If a smaller percentage of the population than expected has been infected with such a "lax" approach, then maybe it's not as contagious as we've been told. I don't know. I do think that the truth has taken quite a blow.

Another country that has been successful without excessive repressive and invasive measures is Japan. It seems like the main thing going for Japan is a healthy population and a well-established community health system.
https://time.com/5842139/japan-beat-...ing-lockdowns/
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I think the horrors that have gone on in long term care facilities is the real tragedy of the Coronavirus in Canada (and elsewhere) - not the fatality rate.

Most (but not all) of those who have died have been quite elderly and often with other health issues. No one gets out of here alive. The death is not the tragedy - but the fear and isolation during COVID and the horrible condition of many long term care facilities - is.
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The death is not the tragedy - but the fear and isolation during COVID and the horrible condition of many long term care facilities - is.
This is so so true. I have lost 15 people 7 of them died alone in care facilities.
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I am so sorry, Nazmum.
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I am sorry, Nazmum. That should never happen to anyone, but it sadly does.
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Thank you.
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This is so so true. I have lost 15 people 7 of them died alone in care facilities.
Heartbreaking! I'm so sorry.
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Thanks very much. I know many people form different parts of my life. People from NJ & NY.

Please remember to live your life everyday. You never know what tomorrow will bring.
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someone i know is claiming sweden had twice the death rate of the USA from covid

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But Sweden, that did not lock down has double our death rate
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someone i know is claiming sweden had twice the death rate of the USA from covid

....this is the 'link' he gave to his claim
I checked out the Johns Hopkins website cited at the bottom of that chart. The deaths per diagnosed cases is a tricky and problematic statistic to go by. If you are diagnosing a lot of "milder" cases through testing, etc., then the number of deaths per diagnosed cases will be lower. If you are not testing a lot of people, or only testing (and therefore diagnosing) high risk populations, that fatality rate is bound to be higher. Sweden is not doing a lot of testing.

Johns Hopkins also has data on deaths by country per 100,000 population. The US is still doing better than Sweden using population data, but the difference is not nearly as drastic. The US has 31.72 Covid deaths per 100,000 people. Sweden has 43.16 Covid deaths per 100,000 people. Belgium's is almost twice that of Sweden, with 82.76 deaths per 100,000. Spain, the UK and Italy are all ahead of Sweden in deaths based on population.

Here's the Johns Hopkins website where the chart was posted originally, and all their other data is there, as well.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
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I checked out the Johns Hopkins website cited at the bottom of that chart. The deaths per diagnosed cases is a tricky and problematic statistic to go by. If you are diagnosing a lot of "milder" cases through testing, etc., then the number of deaths per diagnosed cases will be lower. If you are not testing a lot of people, or only testing (and therefore diagnosing) high risk populations, that fatality rate is bound to be higher. Sweden is not doing a lot of testing.

Johns Hopkins also has data on deaths by country per 100,000 population. The US is still doing better than Sweden using population data, but the difference is not nearly as drastic. The US has 31.72 Covid deaths per 100,000 people. Sweden has 43.16 Covid deaths per 100,000 people. Belgium's is almost twice that of Sweden, with 82.76 deaths per 100,000. Spain, the UK and Italy are all ahead of Sweden in deaths based on population.

Here's the Johns Hopkins website where the chart was posted originally, and all their other data is there, as well.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I think that generally people who are attacking Sweden have an agenda. If Sweden turns out okay in any way it makes the lockdown look bad and the people who pushed and maintained the lockdown look worse.



An example is any discussion of how schools should be managed when they reopen. Sweden kept their schools open. Denmark and Finland and Japan have all reopened schools. Any place that has data on what happens if you open schools without social distancing and masks and constant handwashing has to be either ignored or attacked. Because they make the CDC look like idiots.
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