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Hypocrisies, Inconsistencies, Irrational Thinking

I'm convinced that when fear takes over, the brain shuts down, and people can't think clearly. This definitely applies to how we view vaccines and infectious disease. Have you noticed any inconsistent attitudes or actions related to COVID-19, either in your personal life or in society?

Here are some of my observations. Do you have any examples of your own?

1. Do you remember this gem of a letter suggesting that the righteousness of a cause somehow affected COVID-19 transmission? :rofl https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/healt...rnd/index.html

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"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders."
2. In my area, you MUST wear a mask indoors . . . until your host seats you at your table and you start eating or drinking. Then everyone is (somehow) safe.

3. My library resembles a movie like Outbreak or Contagion. You may only browse a couple of shelves worth of books, (Hey! At least there's stuff available to check out!), and you must put books you've handled and decided not to check out into a bin, which will go to the vault for 5 days - along with all returned items - for quarantine.

Meanwhile . . . . we all go to Target and the supermarket, handle products, and return them to the shelves.

4. Some extended family met up with us. The same family member who bemoans "COV-idiots" was maskless and hugging everybody that he hadn't see in months.
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Oh yes, lots. I complain bitterly and ad nauseam to just about anyone who will listen about how logic is completely absent in people's behavior and thinking around COVID. For now I will just highlight the one that is currently making smoke come out of my ears.

I teach at a community college, and some of our classes are being held in person with reduced class sizes, social distancing, and masks. In addition to those things, we are required to have students sit in the same place for every class meeting, to have a seating chart, and to take attendance at every class meeting, supposedly to facilitate contact tracing should someone test positive for COVID. It is very important that we be able to place students and identify anyone they might have come in contact with. AND YET the college has not changed its two-week drop/add period, so students are coming and going from classes willy nilly, some showing up who are not on the official roll, some dropping or changing class after attending once -- the usual chaos. What is the point of trying to limit contacts by reducing class sizes and keeping all of these records, if it's basically a free-for-all the first two weeks of class? Also, between last Wednesday and today, the seating configuration of one of my classrooms was completely changed. How am I supposed to maintain a seating chart if the seats aren't in the same place?!

My questions are all rhetorical, of course, because the college, like so many other institutions, is clearly engaged in hygiene/safety theater. Unfortunately, the fact that institutions continue to carry out these pointless and illogical practices helps perpetuate the atmosphere of fear.
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At my library, one must call ahead and make an appointment to check out books.

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This one is dandy. The governor of Mass. is going to save everyone from Covid by forcing children to get an annual flu vaccine to attend daycare or school.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08...y-unwarranted/
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There are a lot of protests and rallies going on for various reasons, but I'm continually frustrated that the dangers-of-not social-distancing/masking messaging seems to not be applied equally to all. It seems to be an unfortunate, but understood and even acceptable risk in some instances; but completely selfish and dangerous in others. You really can't have it both ways. You shouldn't be able to condemn one person, but excuse another for the same behavior.
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Can we file this one under hypocrisies?
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Can we file this one under hypocrisies?
Heck, yea! We could get a whole file going on hypocritical bureaucrats and politicians.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ut-mask-baseb/

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/...ning-maryland/


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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...break-n1181546

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There are a lot of protests and rallies going on for various reasons, but I'm continually frustrated that the dangers-of-not social-distancing/masking messaging seems to not be applied equally to all. It seems to be an unfortunate, but understood and even acceptable risk in some instances; but completely selfish and dangerous in others. You really can't have it both ways. You shouldn't be able to condemn one person, but excuse another for the same behavior.
I'm both a Black Lives Matter supporter and a woman of faith. I'm allowed to go to the "church" of protesting and hear the preaching there, but not the church I actually attend. I can't even enter my library, and supermarkets have little distancing X's to stand on at checkout, but I can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with protesters downtown if I so choose.
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This one is absolutely golden.

It's unsafe for students to go to school and sit in the classroom. Therefore they must stay home and learn virtually, unless they pay someone to go to school and sit in the classroom.

https://www.wral.com/durham-public-s...ning/19235986/
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This one is absolutely golden.

It's unsafe for students to go to school and sit in the classroom. Therefore they must stay home and learn virtually, unless they pay someone to go to school and sit in the classroom.

https://www.wral.com/durham-public-s...ning/19235986/

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This one is absolutely golden.

It's unsafe for students to go to school and sit in the classroom. Therefore they must stay home and learn virtually, unless they pay someone to go to school and sit in the classroom.

https://www.wral.com/durham-public-s...ning/19235986/
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“Opening our school year remotely is the right decision to protect our students and staff from COVID-19,” said DPS Superintendent Pascal Mubenga. “However, there are many families in Durham who need additional support during the school day. It will take a community effort to support each of these children, but DPS is doing its part.”

The DPS Learning Centers will provide a safe space to complete online learning, meals and snacks, and social-emotional activities. Students will be assigned to small pods with daily wellness screenings, distribution and required use of facemasks, and planned circulation and seating of six feet social distancing
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where does it say the option to pay someone to go to school to sit in the classroom? Did i miss something?

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Access to the learning centers will be free from some students, such as those receiving McKinney-Vento services and in foster care, other families will pay a $35 registration fee and a monthly weekly rate as follows:
I thought public schooling is paid for through taxes...why are parents being charged AGAIN?
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where does it say the option to pay someone to go to school to sit in the classroom? Did i miss something?



I thought public schooling is paid for through taxes...why are parents being charged AGAIN?
It's in the first paragraph that they're going to be doing it on school grounds.

As hypocrisy goes, did anyone catch this funny bit?

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It's working for me. Did you get a paywall?
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It's working for me. Did you get a paywall?
Now it is working, but it wants me to turn off my ad blocker. Since I've got a pretty good idea of the content from you ladies I won't bother. Crazy!
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Oh, how sweet. Oh, how heroic. And all of this without a mask!

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Pelosi, too??

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To be honest, poor Nancy thought the sign said, "saloon". Let us give her a break.
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I was talking with a friend today, someone I've commiserated with many times about the fear-mongering around COVID. She mentioned several times the low mortality rate for COVID. Then at some point she started talking about how "anti-vaxxers" would probably refuse the COVID vaccine, how she was tempted to volunteer for clinical trials, etc. I said, "Why do we need a vaccine for something that has a low mortality rate and is a mild illness the vast majority of people who contract it?" I had to ask this question several times before she understood what I was saying, and her only reply was that we need a vaccine "so we can get back to normal". I repeated again, "Why do we need a vaccine for an illness that is not deadly for most people? Why should people want to get vaccinated for something that would likely be a mild illness?" No answer, just we need a vaccine so things can get back to normal. I would call this inconsistent and illogical thinking.

Fortunately we were talking on the phone, so she couldn't see my face through all of this.
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I was talking with a friend today, someone I've commiserated with many times about the fear-mongering around COVID. She mentioned several times the low mortality rate for COVID. Then at some point she started talking about how "anti-vaxxers" would probably refuse the COVID vaccine, how she was tempted to volunteer for clinical trials, etc. I said, "Why do we need a vaccine for something that has a low mortality rate and is a mild illness the vast majority of people who contract it?" I had to ask this question several times before she understood what I was saying, and her only reply was that we need a vaccine "so we can get back to normal". I repeated again, "Why do we need a vaccine for an illness that is not deadly for most people? Why should people want to get vaccinated for something that would likely be a mild illness?" No answer, just we need a vaccine so things can get back to normal. I would call this inconsistent and illogical thinking.

Fortunately we were talking on the phone, so she couldn't see my face through all of this.
That is the narrative and she is sticking to it! As are a lot of people.
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Bill Gates and his friends apparently played no active role in the global economic collapse. https://www.aol.com/article/news/202...eeks/24620576/


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The downturn isn't limited to poor countries. In rich countries like the US, income gains had already been uneven in recent years, with the richest getting richer a lot faster than everybody else.
Now, that divide is growing sharply worse.
According to the US Census Bureau, roughly one in three Americans had trouble paying their bills in August due to the pandemic, an issue that's disproportionately affecting Black and Latinx Americans.

The pandemic has also meant many more kids have been going without doses of life-saving vaccines.
According to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (the Gates Foundation's data partner) 25 years of progress to get the world vaccinated against deadly diseases was just swiftly wiped out, in 25 weeks during the pandemic.

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This is hypocrisy on an unbelievable scale. The rest of us just cannot possibly compete.
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