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Just when I thought that I have gone through every sleep problem with my first two very poor sleepers, I get another child who decides to teach me a lesson. Oh boy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> So this guy doesn't sleep *too* bad, and by that I mean that he wakes up between 3-7 times a night, usually 4-5, and does nap. Ds's latest habit however is driving me bonkers.<br><br>
He naps usually just once a day, he could go down anywhere from 9:30am-12pm, just depending on him. I try to be home in the morning, he rarely gets an afternoon nap, and if he does it is in the car. With school pick up, after school activities, a third child doesn't stand a chance at getting more of a nap then that.<br><br>
He used to go to bed between 7-8pm, now he is going to bed and then waking up and thinking he had a great nap and staying up until all hours of the morning. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked"> I don't even have to leave the room, tonight I was still nursing him down which takes at least 30 minutes, and then he popped his little eyes open and that was it. Did I mention that I WAHM and after kiddos go to bed is when I accomplish most of whats to be done. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> He has been doing this for 2 weeks now and I am so behind, I can't do this anymore and I can't keep going to bed at 1am and getting at 6am to get other children off to school. He needs to go to bed. I don't mind going up and nursing him back down several times like I always have done. I put him to bed based on when he is tired and tonight it was 7:30 and he was beyond tired, crying, rubbing eyes, and fell asleep very quickly but he hadn't unlatched yet when he decided he had slept enough.<br><br>
Tips? ANd now off to chase him yet again when I should be getting ready for bed.<br><br>
ETA: updated below, he is STILL doing the same thing, 2 months later. Sigh
 

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What does he do when he wakes up and what do you do?<br><br>
My DS did this in the middle of the night for 2-5 hours. I would try to get him to lay down for about 30 minutes and then I would ignore him (unless he was crying). He would maybe get up wander the room (in the pitch dark), come back to bed, flop around, repeat, then go to sleep.<br><br>
It ended when his teeth broke through.<br><br>
Is it very dark in his room? Does he cosleep? What is the set up in the room?<br><br>
I'm sure it's a phase.
 

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I don't know how late you can push his naps but I would try and get that as late and long as possible. Or of he goes down for an early morning nap hopefully he can get at least a car nap in the afternoon to get him through a little later so when it is bed time he doesn't confuse it for nap. All that aside, my 17 month old did this a few weeks ago when we came back from a trip and the 5 hour time difference wreaked havoc on her sleep schedule. I tried being lenient for a few days but that was torture on us both since we had to go back to work. So finally instead of putting her down at 7:30 when she wanted to "nap" till 10 I kept her up until closer to 9. It kind of backfired in that then I had a few nights where she was not wanting to go to bed until 10 but we just kept at it and now she is back on schedule. So, do what you can do to get more napping in during the reasonable nap hours and try to keep him up a little later at night until it all comes together.
 

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I'm sure it is a phase, isn't it all <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">, but it has to stop. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"> We have black out blinds, he sleeps with me in a king mattress so more then enough room. The room is quiet, the other kids are going to sleep downstairs so it isn't like they are runnign through the house.<br><br>
I tried pushing the nap back today, it was 12:30 when I put him down, only because he slept in until 8:30am because he had been up all night, again. Late wake ups do not work in this house, I had to beg a ride for DD1 to school, and then finally had to wake him so DD2 could go to gymnastics. I am usually out of the house before 8am. He just decided now to refuse all naps as well, does the same thing he does at bed. Nurse for 20 minutes while doozing and then wake up. Repeat 3 times today. Needless to say I have a very cranky toddler who still won't sleep. No teeth coming in right now. I can tell when he does because he wakes up all night, he is sleeping ok once I finally get him to go to sleep. He is crawling all over me right now still refusing to go to sleep. Playing dead doesn't work, he just starts screaming.<br><br>
Tomorrow night I just might try the keeping him up until 10pm despite him not liking it, he ends up being up anyway.
 

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He finally just fell asleep next to me after screaming for 10 minutes straight. I tried to comfort, hold, nurse him, he was so tired he just couldn't stop crying. He has spent half the day crying. Seriously little guy, how is that better then nursing to sleep in your mama's arms? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Hugs. Not fighting it is definitely a wise move when you're completely fed up. That's what I did in the middle of the night. I just got so frustrated trying to get him back down so I just stopped trying. Playing dead didn't work but it gave me more rest.<br><br>
Is he working on a milestone? Do stroller or carrier rides work for naps? Harder when you have other kids I'm sure.<br><br>
One last thing, once my ds stopped accepting me to put him down, I got dh involved. Do you have a partner who can help?
 

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No milestones happening right now. DH gets the other two children to put to bed. The 3.5y sleeps with him downstairs and then he puts the 7y to bed in his room, when she wakes up in the middle of the night, she crawls in with me. I tried a stroller yesterday, he has never fallen asleep in one before, only the car, we walked around the neighborhood for 30 minutes which is his max for being in there, no nap. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> Before that I takes gone into town to pick up DD2 from gymnastics camp, didn't fall asleep in the car either. Little stinker. I am so hoping today is better.
 

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No words of advice but subbing to commiserate (sp? - can't spell these days <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">). Our DD does something similar. We wake her at 6 during the week because we both leave the house for work and don't get home till 5:30. By 7, she's rubbing her eyes and starting to get cranky but if I try to nurse her to sleep, she'll "pass out" at the breast then come to about 30 minutes later. I have the baby monitor glued to me during this time so I can listen to any slightest sound and when I hear it, I hightail it in the bedroom. This usually means leaving my DH mid-sentence or walking out on DS but they understand, usually. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Then it's another 20-30 minutes of getting her back down for the night, by which point we're in bed and I am there already if she rouses. Lately, though, she's starting to do the exact thing your little one is doing, except that she'll re-awake 3-4-5 times and by that point I'm a total wreck and snapping at everyone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked"> That means that I get NOTHING done! Housework aside, it would be nice to spend some time with DS before he goes to bed.<br><br>
Oh, and on a spectacularly good day, she'll fall asleep and stay down! I think that's happened 3 times. On a regular night, I go in to re-nurse her once. Those are starting to feel like good nights. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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He is still doing it, now he is up until 12am every night and wakes up by 8am at the latest. He is so tired all the time. Nothing works. I can get to take 2 naps a day, or one, I try putting him down at all sorts of times, lying there the whole time. It is becoming a huge problem in my house, both DH and I have to work at nights. He has the bigger income so his job comes first, I am seriously struggling to accomplish what I need to do, and did I mention I start grad school this fall. He has to be asleep at night by then or else I might as well just postpone my acceptance. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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I find that DD, almost 9 months, will nap at bedtime if she doesn't take her second nap of the day. She'll go down like a charm, but then be up 40 minutes later. Maybe he needs a later nap, or a second one?
 

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I second the pushing his nap time til about 1pm, but I can see that you tried that the other day and it didn't really work. How much of a routine does he follow the rest of the day? Does he get lots of time outside to crawl or run around? Does he have a regular meal schedule? I ask because often if a toddler is off on other routines such as eating they will be off on everything.<br><br>
I would make sure he gets lots of activity throughout the morning and after nap time, and make sure you leave a good hour of time for quiet activities before sleep to give him time to settle down. I'm not sure how easy this would be with 3 kids, but I'm willing to bet it would help him quite a bit.<br><br>
It also sounds like nursing to sleep might not work anymore. I am having a similar problem with my DD right now at 19 months, so I don't have much advice to give for that one. She really wants to nurse to sleep, but it really doesn't work most of the time. We usually resort to walks in the stroller, but even that is not working all the time now. Anyways, good luck and I hope you can figure out something that works for your family.
 
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