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Hello, everyone! First, I want to say that I know no kids "fit the mold." I just really had no clue what title to give this to get everyone's attention.

My son is almost 2 1/2 years old. He has been described as many things, mainly "quirky" or different from what you'd read about in a textbook. From birth I worried about autism, as he seemed really sensitive. He wouldn't latch-on to breastfeed, so I pumped for a little over a year to get him breastmilk. The first 8 weeks or so he cried for several hours, typically starting at the "witching" hour of 11pm. Although this seemed to be a sign of colic, he showed no other signs of colic-almost never spit-up. Seriously, he maybe spit up a few times in all his infancy, and only a little bit at a time. I was concerned, scared of autism because I knew hypersensitivity could be an early sign. However, I also had read that hypersensitivity can be an early sign of giftedness.

He continued to develop as a normal infant, and the sleeping got better (although he still wakes up in the middle of the night-we co-sleep-so I attribute some of that to him being in bed with us). From 4 months to 12 months he cut 12 teeth! I attributed any hypersensitive, fussy days to teething most of the time, because he really never got sick in all that time. He was in an in-home caregiving situation and didn't really have much exposure to germs (except for any I'd bring home from work-I'm a teacher).

Around 10-12 months he started at daycare and the ear infections started. He probably had 15 ear infections from October to March that year. Tubes went in at the end of January, and he still gets an ear infection from time to time.

Speech development was normal until the ear infections started, and then he showed a delay in speech. However, he does show progression in his speech and is now finally starting to put words together. He's still at the "more milk" "all done" "where'd momma go" "how are you" "up please" "down please" type commands. Although he's not where a normal 2 1/2 year old would be, he is showing good progress. We go to speech therapy twice a month, and his doctor is going to look at where he is in a couple of months and decide if he needs to be evaluated for autism. She said if that isn't the answer then we'd go to a neurologist. But she doesn't seem worried, and I really wasn't too worried either because he's been progressing. Still, I called the Babies Can't Wait people (Georgia's early intervention) because he was showing increased aggression at daycare. I just wanted someone to tell me he was normal or identify things I could do to help him. Well, they said he did not show a significant delay and that although he doesn't qualify, they'd qualify him based on my, my doctor's, and the daycare's concern over his behavior. I opted not to qualify him because the only thing they could provide was assistance, and he was already going to speech therapy.

Here are the concerns. He has been at this daycare for about 5 months. It is an excellent place, and everyone there is very involved. His behavior started as him not wanting certain kids to come around him, and he'd swat at them if they did (I'm guessing kids who maybe have hit him before). But, he'd play by a couple of the kids. The past few weeks his aggression has really stepped up. He hits and pushes, sometimes for no reason. Today I called to check on him and was told he was sitting at one table and turned around and hit a kid sitting at the table behind him-and the kid was just sitting there eating. I don't know if this is a speech thing, an age thing, or a development problem thing. The concerns of autism came from his speech delay. However, he showed NO other signs. He smiles, laughs, plays with us, sings, dances, and is very social with the adults he knows. However, he does not show any desire to be around other kids and exhibits distress if any come near him-and that sometimes come in the form of hitting and shoving or throwing things. His speech is merely a delay-he shows no "typical" signs of speech problems. He does show signs of giftedness, but most of what I read shows advanced speech as a sign, so it doesn't fit. However, he was able to pick out all of his letters when he was only 21-22 months old. He had a little laptop that would say, "Find the uppercase letter A" and did all the letters and 1-10. He could get them all right a couple of months before he turned 2. Now he can pick out his letters anywhere. I'd spell out his name and he'd say "G-A-N-N-O-N!" He shows much enthusiasm for letters and says them any time he sees letters. He also can count 1-10 and sometimes will even go to 20 but gets confused. He can say/sing the whole alphabet also. He draws a face with eyes, nose, mouth, hair, even lips for the mouth now, arms, legs. One time he drew a kite and said kite. He drew the diamond shape, the tail, ties on the tail, and even a cross on the kite (I believe he was modeling the one I drew a week or so before-but he did so from memory-and I only drew it once). He can write a few letters- h, t, c, o, q, e, and maybe one or two more. Signs of giftedness or autism? Or something else? I don't know how to best help my child. He gets lots of love and has 2 grandmothers, an aunt, and an uncle he sees regularly. His dad and I are happily married. I don't allow him to watch violent cartoons, and we make sure if anything is violent or scary we don't watch it in front of him. I do work full-time but get home by 4 every day.
This child is AMAZING, but some things just don't add up. He initiates play with adults he loves, makes plenty of eye contact, smiles and laughs all the time, etc. But he does not want other kids near him and pushes and shoves a bit excessively now. When he gets in trouble, sometimes he does the fake cry, but many times he cries real tears and is very sensitive. His teacher said sometimes when he hits or shoves he immediately cries and goes to timeout without even being told. It's like he knows he's not supposed to do it but he does it and takes the punishment.
I just don't know. I have no experience with kids his age, and everyone I talk to either says, "my kid didn't talk until 3" or "all kids hit" ect. But none of it really adds up and I just want to do what's best for him, but I don't know what!!! AAAHHHH!
Anyway, those of you with gifted kids-did any of them act this way? Is it wishful thinking that he's just gifted, or is there something else I should be watching out for? Thanks so much and I'm really sorry for the long post. I'm just so confused and worried.
 

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I think it sounds like he is a normal little boy who is frustrated with his inability to say all he needs to say and is overwhelmed with all the noise and chaos of daycare. Of course, i haven't seen him so I don't know for sure.

Have you spent several hours at daycare with him observing? You can learn a lot about the situation if you are able to watch the people interact. It may just be way too much stimulus for him and by the afternoon he is just beyond overwhelmed.

Can you move him into a homecare situation or get a nanny?
 

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I think getting an Early Intervention evaluation, which it sounds like you are already working on, would be a good idea for him. They can do a full developmental evaluation, and they will note where he's ahead as well as where he might be behind. It certainly sounds like he could be frustrated with his communications skills.

I would not discount the possibility of giftedness based on his speech. Speech can be delayed for many reasons, and all children are unique. No one criteria makes a kid gifted or not.

Oh--one other thing. You mentioned he's highly sensitive -- maybe look into sensory integration issues?
 

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I agree, an EI assessment is a good idea. Also, I'd recommend reading up on sensory processing disorder and Dabrowski's overexcitabilities (both easy to find via google).

The wacking other kids could be that he's on sensory overload and so is reactive. Self-regulation is a challenge, both for two year olds and kids with sensory issues.


My son is not on the autism spectrum, although he is gifted, neurologically atypical and has sensory issues. He's been described a whole lot of ways over the years, and his PS years were very challenging (I cried a lot those years, in despair and worry, and I'm really not a crier). It's the confusion of the asynchronicity. DS is now 6.5 and he's just lovely. He's growing into himself, and we've become very good advocates for him.
 

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Like the pps, I think an EI assessment is a good idea.

Just reading your post, my instinct is that his speech delay is probably a normal response to so many ear infections.

It is possible that he spent much of last year not being able to hear because of the ear infections and he may be overstimulated by the noise at daycare.

My eldest has impulse control issues that turn into aggression when he is bored, and it has caused problems at his schools, so I feel for you. Figuring it out can be a challenge, but you are heading in a good direction.
 

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I think it sounds like he is a normal little boy who is frustrated with his inability to say all he needs to say and is overwhelmed with all the noise and chaos of daycare. Of course, i haven't seen him so I don't know for sure.

Have you spent several hours at daycare with him observing? You can learn a lot about the situation if you are able to watch the people interact. It may just be way too much stimulus for him and by the afternoon he is just beyond overwhelmed.
This is what I am inclined to think also. I really agree with observing him and the daycare situation. The way you described your ds sounds a lot like my dd at that age, except that she began talking at 2.5. She was quite aggressive for some time, hitting, shoving etc. especially with certain kids. I know now that it was 100% frustration with not being able to communicate. There was always so much going on in her head that she just could not put it into words. I did a lot of modeling exactly what to say in any given situation, to accomplish what she wanted/needed without getting frustrated/aggressive. It was exhausting but very worth it. By 3.5/4 she was caught up speech wise and most of the aggression subsided.

In those early years we did worry about autism etc. but we finally ruled that out with the help of evaluations by psychologists who specialized in gifted kids. It's difficult to always be going back and forth worrying about it.
to you.

FWIW dd is now 5.5 and doing great. She has tested HG and is still spirited, intense, and still "doesn't fit the mold."
 

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Your post could have written by me regarding my DS with just a couple differences (we went with chiropractic for the continuous ear infections and he didn't have the speech delays). At age 23 months I had to pull him out of daycare because the aggression was getting so bad and it was starting to show at home. The daycare didn't know what to do because it was so outside "the norm". Turns out he has moderate sensory processing disorder (SPD) and the noise and chaos of the toddler daycare setting was torture for him. After identifying, diagnosing, and OT sessions he is doing much better. He started K on time this fall and is doing wonderfully with an understanding teacher who is able to work around his remaining sensory issues.

Other clues we had for the SPD: flopping on the floor, complaining he felt tired in stimulating situations, crashing into people, covering his ears in places with echoes, extremely picky eater in terms of texture, sensitive to smells, fussy about socks/shoes/tags on clothing.
 

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My 25 month old sounds almost identical to your kid, minus the aggression to other kids. He has the same great memory, and the same type of speech delay etc. We were concerned about autism for the longest time but I no longer think that's a possibility. His EI team calls him "their little mystery diagnosis" because he's so behind in some ways, ahead in others, and generally doesn't seem to be autistic anymore - at 18 months it was a completely different scenario.

Have you ever tried a no-gluten diet for your little guy? When we tried it with mine his speech improved tons very quickly. I thought it was a bit flaky but it really did work.
 

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I agree the early intervention eval is a good idea - it never hurts to get more information.

My question: outside of daycare do people see a problem? Are concerns expressed by friends or family? Did his in home provider have concerns? I'm wondering if he has some mild challenges (with speech development and/or sensory processing) and the childcare environment is just too busy for him. It can be hard for some more sensitive or introverted kids. A center or school can be a "great" one - and still not be right for your kid.
 

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His teacher said sometimes when he hits or shoves he immediately cries and goes to timeout without even being told. It's like he knows he's not supposed to do it but he does it and takes the punishment.
I don't think it's that he knows what he did was wrong and therefore takes the punishment without question, I think it's a clear sign that he needs a break, that things are too chaotic/intense/loud/stimulating and his one easy way to get out of that situation is to shove someone and take a break in the corner.

I wonder, if the teachers regularly tell him it's OK to take a break, and maybe even give him a special spot he can go to whenever he wants to, with a couple books or something, will that help curb the behavior?
 

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I'd also suggest you read up on Sensory Processing Disorder. Sensational Kids is my favorite book on this, and the Out of Sync Child is good too.

It sounds like your ds is highly sensitive (oh "The Highly Sensitive Child" is good too). Kids with sensory issues often have trouble around other kids, because other kids are unpredictable and in their face. He's had a lot of ear infections, and that can make it hard for a child to know where their body is in space, which might increase his defensiveness/aggression too.

At 2 1/2, it's hard to say whether this is just 'normal' sensitive kid stuff, a child who would benefit from OT, but is not on the autism spectrum (our ds), or a child who is on the autism spectrum. You'd need a real eval from a developmental pediatrician to tell you that.

I think it's probably a good idea to follow through with EI, just to see where you're at.
 

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Did the Dr do a full hearing test after the ear infection? I would be concerned about hearing lose.

If he is having hearing problems the agression could be a combination of frustration and him being startled when other children aproach since he doesn't hear them coming.
 

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If he is having hearing problems the agression could be a combination of frustration and him being startled when other children aproach since he doesn't hear them coming.
that reminds me of the time when DS (who has sensitive hearing) used to come home so upset complaining that other children are shouting into his ears. And he would be so upset that he was ready to hit anyone that went near to him after that. The funny thing is when I asked him what they shout, it's usually something along the line of - "WILL YOU PLAY WITH ME??!"
 

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Our little boys are the same age, and they seem to have some similar problems at daycare - although ours hits mostly at home, and mostly me, and he can be very mean to the cats! In spite of being very verbal, the DCP tell me he is often overwhelmed with the noise of the other toddlers and goes away to be by himself. In our son's case, I assume it's high sensitivity, which apparently tends to go together with giftedness, and he seems to do better with both younger and older kids and does perfectly well with adults. In your case, there might be hearing problems on top of it, so I second all the other PPs who have urged you to keep having his hearing checked.

It does sound like your son might be gifted (I initiated a thread about drawing recently, and apparently what he can do is VERY advanced for his age.) Not all gifted kids are early talkers, in fact on this board many write about their late talkers who turned out to be visual-spatial thinkers.
 
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