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Having had parents who made quite a big deal over my "gifted" diagnosis as a child, I'm really not in favor of that with kids - at least not until it's functional (i.e., if an IQ test gets your kid into a gifted class that appropriately challenges him, then OK). HOWEVER, I am raising my first neurotypical baby after having raised twin sons with Autism and developmental delays and, to put it bluntly, curiosity is getting the best of me...<br><br>
I stopped writing down the words my son (the baby) learned to say each month, because by 18 months there were just so many of them. But I got curious and looked up a word list for people learning English as a second language and wrote down the ones he says now (at 21 months). I only had time to skim the letters A-C, but had already jotted down 100 words. So he must have a vocabulary of several hundred. Various online web sites say babies should say 50 or 100 words by age 2, but I know sometimes those estimates are very conservative, not the average.<br><br>
So...is the size of his vocabulary rather on-par, or is he "advanced"?
 

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Because I'm an obsessive linguist, I wrote down all the words my kids said until they reached 24 months (after that I couldn't keep up). They each had about 600-700 words by then. I'm sure I missed a number of them (especially for dd who had more phrases and fewer single words in the 22-24 month range). My kids are bright, but not profoundly gifted.<br><br>
I think a range of 200-400 words that they can say is pretty much in the range of typical for 24 months. Kids also learn words incredibly quickly at this age, so the average productive vocabulary is between 500 and 600 words at 30 months. Receptive vocabulary (what they understand) is considerably higher - more like 500 to 700 words for 24 months and 800-900 by 30 months.<br><br>
The 50 to 100 words are <i>minimums</i> that people look for to see if a child's language is on track, and not really average.
 

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We don't have much perspective on what's normal here. If you want to know what our kids were doing at that age, we can tell you, but it won't have much to do with normal.
 

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I usually advise checking out the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/parents/childdevelopmenttracker/one/language.html" target="_blank">PBS development tracker</a> for information about typical development. It says about 200 words is average for a 23 month old.<br><br>
It's interesting for me, because DD went from about 50 recognizable words at 18 months (which is below average but still fine) to an uncountable (seemingly limitless) vocabulary by the time she turned 2. I thought she was advanced by 18 months, but I guess I will have to revise my timeline. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
ETA: Also, you should keep in mind that there may be very wide variation within the range of "normal." Knowing that a kid is above average doesn't tell you how far above average he or she is (i.e., whether he or she is within the gifted range or not).
 

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I agree with the rec for the PBS development tracker; it will list lots of other thing syou might not even have considered.<br><br>
Anecdotally, my DS had fifty words at the age of one, was connecting two to three words by fourteen or fifteen months and speaking in full sentences by seventeen months. I coudn't begin to keep up with the number of words he used by the age of two but at the age of 3.75 now, he DOESN'T STOP TALKING. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> HTH
 

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I think several hundred words at 24mo sounds fairly advanced. I know with DD it was soon after 1yo that we stopped counting, b/c it was ridiculous to try. I have no idea how many she had at 2yo. She was just a talking person, you know? And yeah with the never stopping talking, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think several hundred words at 24mo sounds fairly advanced. I know with DD it was soon after 1yo that we stopped counting, b/c it was ridiculous to try. I have no idea how many she had at 2yo. She was just a talking person, you know? And yeah with the never stopping talking, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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We had a similar experience. We never wrote down numbers of words but we did try to count them just before her first birthday and gave up when we passed 100. By 2 I wouldn't have considered trying to count, I was too busy asnwering her questions about what's under the concrete of the footpath lol. ITA with eepster, I don't really know what's normal. I do think looking around the pbs tracker is a good idea though.<br>
ETA, I think you call footpath's "sidewalks" in the US.
 

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I think that sounds like it's on the high end--definitely above average, but not way out there. Most male under-2/over-18-monthers I know seem to know about 100-200 words.<br><br>
DD was very verbally advanced and had over 100 words at one and over 500 words at 18 months. I know that's def. unusual. DS is advanced, too, but less so. I would say he had about 50 words at one and well over 100 words at 18 months (although I don't really know...second-time moms don't keep as good track <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">), and at 22 months, it is surely 500+. With both kids, we got/get a lot of comments on their speech. Actually, we might even get more with DS, who says less than DD did; I think it's because he's a boy.
 

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I think the OP had 100 words with just A-C, so that'd be thousands with the whole alphabet. Sounds advanced to me.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think several hundred words at 24mo sounds fairly advanced. I know with DD it was soon after 1yo that we stopped counting, b/c it was ridiculous to try. I have no idea how many she had at 2yo. She was just a talking person, you know? And yeah with the never stopping talking, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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Yeah, my 27mo has a vocabulary in the thousands and was speaking in 8 to 10 word sentences by 15 months. Talking to him is just like talking to any other person fluent in English. He's got all the parts of speech down, verb tenses, pronouns, etc. He asks ridiculous questions like, "Mom, can you make some coffee?" and "Why are my teeth different shapes?" and makes demands like, "I want the BLUE sippee cup!" when I give him the green one, or "I want the GRAY broom to sweep the kitchen floor!". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> He keeps me on my toes!
 

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I wish I knew what was <i>truly</i> <i>normal</i> and <i>truly ok</i> so I at least could put many anxieties to rest.<br><br>
My oldest who just turned 4 a few days back exploded in language by 18 months. Since then he's never been on the same milestone charts as his peers in almost any way except physically, and he's still kind of off physically.<br><br>
My almost 2 year old (2 on Dec 21) is hardly saying many words. He can put together 2 word sentences with basic verb and direct/indirect objects but won't put the pronoun / subject in there. Like he says, want milk, although he says it in Urdu. We're a multilingual household, which was absolutely not a problem for my 4 year old. He mastered both at the same time and was brilliantly speaking in both before 2.<br><br>
I will sit down and tediously write out exactly what I've heard him say as I want to make sure if he needs some help to get it for him when we go for his check up soon. If I had to guess ...maybe he's saying 50 words? He's not behind otherwise. He's actually very bright in other ways, ironically, in ways the 4 year old is not. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I have no idea what is normal! I thought my dd speaking 6 word sentences clearly at 24 months was normal since she is my first.<br><br>
Have you asked on the "toddler board" about this?
 

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The tag line for this board could be... "Welcome to the gifted forum, the only thing we don't know is what's normal."<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The tag line for this board could be... "Welcome to the gifted forum, the only thing we don't know is what's normal."<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Except that there are lots of other things we don't know too. But the only thing we really, <i>really</i> don't know is what's normal.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Except that there are lots of other things we don't know too. But the only thing we really, <i>really</i> don't know is what's normal.</div>
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Everything else we can look up. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Everything else we can look up. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"></div>
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We can know what is knowable, for sure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Indeed, you'll get a better sense of normal/average on the Toddler Forum. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
But to throw a bit of averaging into this decidedly above-average mix, I'll add my first-born. He had amazing receptive speech, but had other speech delays which we had him evaluated for around his 2nd birthday. At that point, I was reading that a child should have 30 words in their vocabulary, and his verbal words were fewer than that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> He did sign a lot, and was very communicative though not all that verbal. (FWIW, he's 7.5 now and while he does still have some issues with annunciation, he has a remarkable vocabulary and is clearly gifted.)<br><br>
My middle son was a bigger talker, but not off the charts. (He's my introvert.) My third son is now 26 months, and is talking *constantly* in full, long sentences and adding new words every few minutes, it seems! Clearly, he's my most verbally gifted AND my extrovert. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I definitely think, given a range of experiences, that having several hundred - or more - words around 2 years of age is exceptional, and being strongly verbal is definitely a good sign of giftedness. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I wish I knew what was <i>truly</i> <i>normal</i> and <i>truly ok</i> so I at least could put many anxieties to rest.<br><br>
My oldest who just turned 4 a few days back exploded in language by 18 months. Since then he's never been on the same milestone charts as his peers in almost any way except physically, and he's still kind of off physically.<br><br>
My almost 2 year old (2 on Dec 21) is hardly saying many words. He can put together 2 word sentences with basic verb and direct/indirect objects but won't put the pronoun / subject in there. Like he says, want milk, although he says it in Urdu. We're a multilingual household, which was absolutely not a problem for my 4 year old. He mastered both at the same time and was brilliantly speaking in both before 2.<br><br>
I will sit down and tediously write out exactly what I've heard him say as I want to make sure if he needs some help to get it for him when we go for his check up soon. If I had to guess ...maybe he's saying 50 words? He's not behind otherwise. He's actually very bright in other ways, ironically, in ways the 4 year old is not. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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50 words and simple two-word sentences were what the ped was looking for at DS' two-year-check up, so I'd guess that's the "low end" of normal, the "don't worry" cut off as it were.
 

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Yup, 50 words and 2 word phrases is OK for two, according to the speech evaluations we had. <a href="http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/development/language_development.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/...elopment.shtml</a><br>
Says that 150 - 300 words is normal for 24 months. I'm guessing that's "average" and the 50 word mark is a cut-off for intervention? Just a guess.<br>
It also lists 2 word noun-verb combinations as normal for this age.<br><br>
My DS was below this, so went to speech therapy. At 18 months he had no words. By 26 months he had a word explosion and a huge vocabulary including things like trapezoid and pterodactyl, but very few phrases. Now, at 30 months he can use phrases of 5 words, but generally sticks to 3-4. I think this just shows how variable the language development process can be.<br><br>
There's no harm in getting evaluated, but I think a lot of us are around kids who are ahead so a kid who's developing on the slower side of average might seem more behind than he actually is.<br><br>
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