That's a point I make when signing exemptions from Vax's for my kids.

the article itself: http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006...5291198319.txt

I found it quite amusing! It is easy to leave comments, it takes about a day to show up. ETA article link... oops!

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That's a point I make when signing exemptions from Vax's for my kids.

Wow...

Ok, I'm all for not vaxxing (or at least for delaying vax for MMR until very, very late because the disease does become more dangerous as the person gets older).

But, to be fair, I have one point to make - the interpretation of statistics that the comments were using was incorrect. The article didn't state what percentage of the state population was immunized. But, if 98% of the population is immunized, and 95% of those immunizations are successful, then 4.9 out of 100 people were immunized yet still susceptible. 2 out of that same 100 were never immunized. So, let's say that fifty percent of all susceptible kids got the mumps in an outbreak. That means one unvaccinated kid would get it. 2.245 vaccinated kids would get it. Looks like "more" vaccinated people got it than non-vaccinated? After all, 69% of the population who actually has the disease were immunized for it. But, no, actually only 2.3% of the vaccinated population got the disease, while fifty percent of the unvaccinated population got it.

Ok, I'm all for not vaxxing (or at least for delaying vax for MMR until very, very late because the disease does become more dangerous as the person gets older).

But, to be fair, I have one point to make - the interpretation of statistics that the comments were using was incorrect. The article didn't state what percentage of the state population was immunized. But, if 98% of the population is immunized, and 95% of those immunizations are successful, then 4.9 out of 100 people were immunized yet still susceptible. 2 out of that same 100 were never immunized. So, let's say that fifty percent of all susceptible kids got the mumps in an outbreak. That means one unvaccinated kid would get it. 2.245 vaccinated kids would get it. Looks like "more" vaccinated people got it than non-vaccinated? After all, 69% of the population who actually has the disease were immunized for it. But, no, actually only 2.3% of the vaccinated population got the disease, while fifty percent of the unvaccinated population got it.

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But nobody is saying 50% of the unvaxed kids got it. And anyway, my research tells me that unvaxed people can have such strong (healthy, well fed) immune systems they can get such mild forms of diseases often no one even knows that have it.

Originally Posted by tborosonWow... Ok, I'm all for not vaxxing (or at least for delaying vax for MMR until very, very late because the disease does become more dangerous as the person gets older). But, to be fair, I have one point to make - the interpretation of statistics that the comments were using was incorrect. The article didn't state what percentage of the state population was immunized. But, if 98% of the population is immunized, and 95% of those immunizations are successful, then 4.9 out of 100 people were immunized yet still susceptible. 2 out of that same 100 were never immunized. So, let's say that fifty percent of all susceptible kids got the mumps in an outbreak. That means one unvaccinated kid would get it. 2.245 vaccinated kids would get it. Looks like "more" vaccinated people got it than non-vaccinated? After all, 69% of the population who actually has the disease were immunized for it. But, no, actually only 2.3% of the vaccinated population got the disease, while fifty percent of the unvaccinated population got it. |

If the vax is 95% effective and 2% is unvaxed, this means that 5+2=7% of the total population (of which about 2/3 vaxed) would be susceptible according to manufacturers' logic. This means that of 3 people who get mumps, 2 would be vaxed, so that's the 65% they talk about.

But there's no way in hell that 98% of the people is fully vaxed. There are more hippies, fundies, christian scientists, junkies, forgetful and poor parents, and just smart parents than that, even in the Midwest

But there's no way in hell that 98% of the people is fully vaxed. There are more hippies, fundies, christian scientists, junkies, forgetful and poor parents, and just smart parents than that, even in the Midwest

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