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A few medical mistakes with circ

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Circumcision Surgery Accidents, Complications, and Atrocities

* Journal of Urology (Baltimore), vol 153, no 3 part I (March 1995: pp 778-779) states that the rate of accidents is from 1.5% to 15%.

Read the article "Newborn Penile Glans Amputation during Circumcision .." note that the doctor who operated had already performed the operation more than 300 times - so much for experience.

* Eva Brown, the mother of a now three year old boy, took Dr. Lynn Whittington to court for circumcising her son in 1992 without her consent. ...the hospital must pay the child $65,000 in compensatory damages for the circumcision. Circ Info Network 950722

* The programme, "It's a Boy," to be screened on Channel 4 this month, includes graphic footage of a circumcision in the Midlands that went disastrously wrong. The 8-day-old baby, circumcised without anaesthetic by a rabbi who is not a doctor, is seen bloodied and screaming in agony during the operation. When it was clear things were going wrong, the rabbi demanded the crew stop filming, but they secretly recorded what followed. The boy developed an infection and ended up in intensive care being pumped with antibiotics and kept alive by oxygen and drips.
The film -- the work of Victor Schoenfeld, the Jewish father of a circumcised son -- also presents details of 2 babies who died as a result of circ and contains an interview with the mother of a third who almost bled to death. It reveals cases of permanent genital disfigurement, claiming that, at a conservative estimate one in 50 circumcisions leads to serious complications. The impact of the film, which also shows Muslim circumcisions, will be intensified by Ch. 4's decision to show it without commercial breaks. --The Observer, London, 3 Sept 1995 Circ Info Network 951011

* Pediatrics. 92(6):794-9, 1993 Dec.
The Inconspicuous Penis. Authors: Bergeson PS., Hopkin RJ., Bailey RB Jr., McGill LC., Piatt JP. Department of General Pediatrics and Urology, Phoenix Children's Hospital, AZ.
Abstract OBJECTIVE: To describe the etiology and management of the group of abnormalities referred to as the inconspicuous penis. DESIGN: Analysis of 19 cases seen over a period of 2 years by chart review. SETTING: Children's hospital in a major metropolitan area. PATIENTS: Nineteen boys referred to two pediatric urologists over a period of 2 years with penises that appeared abnormally small, but on palpation and measurement, were found to have a normal shaft with a normal stretched length. Diagnoses included were buried penis, webbed penis, and trapped penis. Patients ages ranged from 1 week to 13 years. FINDINGS: There were eight patients (42%) with trapped penis, and all were complications of circumcision (at age 1 week to 7 months). --trapped-penis

* LOSS OF PENIS DUE TO CIRCUMCISION TEL AVIV (AFP) - The parents of a two-year-old child who lost his penis due to an error during circumcision, have turned to the district court of Tel-Aviv, demanding US $800,000 in damages. Circ Info Network 940628

(Title) Early Violence Leaves Its Mark on the Brain
(Subtitle) Adolescent violence is traced to abuse and neglect in childhood.
(Subtitle) Early Violence Found to Be Etched in the Brain
Several strands of findings presented by researchers at the weekend conference pointed to the same conclusion: brutality and cruelty to children can leave a clear mark on the chemistry of the brain. And those changes in brain chemistry may be the route by which a brutalized child becomes a violent adult. The conference also offered some glimmers of hope for changing an established inclination to violent behavior. Circ Info Network 951003

* late July a 5-year-old boy died after a routine circumcision. Jeremie Johnson went into a coma and died a week after his parents authorized the removal of life support. Jose Tovar, MD, an anesthesiologist at Doctors Airline Hosp. in Houston, where the circumcision was performed, has resigned in connection with the incident. Circ Info Network 950922

* During the course of the circumcision, Dr. Tam, a pediatrician, amputated approximately 30% of the distal glans penis and transected the glandular urethra. A less than successful attempt was made to reattach that which had been excised. The Plaintiff (an infant) has undergone 4 corrective surgeries and requires at least one further surgery at this time. Circ Info Network 950107

* Allen A. Ervin was born in July 1985 and had been on life support since December 1985, when his brain was damaged from oxygen deprivation during circumcision.
The Anesthesiologists who attended to Allen during the circumcision settled the case for $435,000 and agreed to lifetime payment of his medical bills.
He died at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center on Wednesday, three weeks before his 7th birthday. noharmm99

* My son, Jacob, was born normal and healthy at Providence Hospital in Anchorage Alaska in 1986, he was routinely circumcised on his second day of life. A few days later, we brought Jacob back to the hospital because an infection had developed at the circumcision site. A decision was made by his pediatrician to hospitalize him and administer antibotics. The next morning, he began to have seizures that went untreated. Twenty-six hours after entering the hospital, he stopped breathing during a massive seizure. As a result my son suffered profound brain damage. Today Jacob is almost ten years old, he requires 24 hour a day care as he will for the rest of his life. noharmm93

* NEW YORK (AP) -- A clinic has agreed to pay $1.2 million to an 8-year-old immigrant boy who was mutilated during a botched circumcision five years ago, his lawyer said.

The clinic, a doctor and the rabbi who performed the operation were being sued for causing "permanent shortening and disfigurement of the penis."

During the trial, experts testified that the mutilation would make sexual intercourse difficult when the boy reaches maturity, according to Wednesday's New York Post. Circ Info Network 951202

* ...and told the story of how he left for Europe for a couple of weeks only to find his son had been circumcised at age 4 for a minor infection which could have been easily treated with a topical medication. He noted the boy did not have an erection for several weeks, noting that it probably hurt too much.
I have had several patients in my practice, who while out of town, had physicians recommend radical circumcision for self-limited infections or perfectly normal foreskins. While it is not the way I would like to build a practice, several boys have started to see me after the pediatrician in the next town tried to forcibly retract their foreskins "just to have a look." noharmm98

* was a circumcised man (circumcised at the age of seven or eight when he was hospitalized for a broken arm) Circ Info Network 940713

* There is no known medical condition which would require an immediate circumcision. If you and your spouse know this, no lie will prevail to change your mind. noharmm59

* I was circumcised at 8 years of age when they took me to the hospital for a tonsillectomy. It was done without my consent, and without being informed. I only found out AFTER it was done, and nobody bothered to explain to me what had happened. I DO feel mutilated, and it is in cases like mine where the rape/molestation/circumcision dividing lines DO tend to blur.
Angry? Yes
Bitter? You bet! --submitted by NOHARMM e-mail list subscriber

* I was adopted nearly 'at birth' and it seems, while I was 'passing hands and names' I was cut without either pair of parents' consent. My parents have always pointed to the fact it was not done by the signing of their name, and that makes sense, as nobody I know, in my whole family, is cut, not even 'daddy'. So the whole issue of being cut without your parents consent makes it feel even more terrible. And much similar to a 'rape' than anything else. --submitted by NOHARMM e-mail list subscriber

* On the psychological impact topic, my seemingly earliest impression was about how almost cute my mother thought it was that males needed to be fixed right away. She was an early feminist, I would say, and definitely thought women were superior, and missed no chance to say so, it seemed. With my father being physically abusive, and then gone by the time I was 10, it seemed to me she was right. To then find myself becoming what I hated and feared the most, a man, was plenty enough to trouble with, so I didn't get around to dealing with circumcision until much later. First I cut my skin bridge, and then I tried to learn what a foreskin is. Then finally I learned about restoration. --submitted by NOHARMM e-mail list subscriber

* I know of two "double circs." I have met both of the victims personally, so I know these to be true.

One was performed on a three or four year-old boy in the midwest. He had been circumcised at birth. He was overweight, and his penis was slighlty retracted at times (especially after exposure to cold) within the fat of his pubic area. This was disturbing to his mother, who took him to the hospital. A urologist recomended that he be "circumcised again", which he was. He has had numerous problems, and is currently undergoing reconstructive surgery. His family is sueing the hospital.

A grown Jewish man joined an orthodox religious community in Isreal. He was told that his circumcision was not sufficiently extensive, and encouraged to be re-circ'd in order to be more holy. He underwent one or two re- circumcisions before leaving the sect and rejecting its teachings. His penis is largely denuded and he describes himself as "experiencing constant pain." --submitted by NOHARMM e-mail list subscriber

* CAIRO, Nov 11 (Reuter) - An Egyptian college student sliced off his penis because he was convinced it was an impure organ that impeded religious activity, an Egyptian newspaper said on Saturday.

The daily Akhbar al-Youm quoted the unnamed student's mother as saying her son had lately been praying rigorously and repeating unorthodox ideas about the cleanliness of male sex organs.

Moslems must perform ritual washing before each of the five daily prayers to clean their bodies. The paper said the boy, who cut his penis off on Friday, was in a serious condition. --submitted by NOHARMM e-mail list subscriber

* JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (Reuters) -- One boy has died and 12 are being treated in a hospital after circumcisions by "bush doctors" in South Africa's former Venda black homeland, Northern Province Premier Ngoako Ramatlhodi said Wednesday. Circ Info Network 950722

* Paige says, "Westerners look askance at the ritual mutilations of the body performed in exotic tribes, but they justify their own ritual mutilations as medically appropriate. Americans...stand with few other modern nations in clinging to a ritual that is no less 'barbaric' and no more 'hygienic' [than] routine circumcision." Circ Info Network 950722

* As far as *"sprinkling"* goes, I have that problem possibly because of my circ. The rather sloppy, but not unsightly, job interferred somehow with the opening of the urethra causing an irregular stream while urinating. At the age of 8 or 9, I was forced back under the knife to "widen" the opening because when the circ healed, it constricted the flow. The reason for having to widen the constricted opening was that I wet the bed until that age and it was claimed it was because I couldn't completely void before bedtime everynight due to, you guessed it, constricted urine flow. I believe the medical term for this condition is *meatus stenosis*. Bedwetting, further surgery, pain, insensitive doctors who told me to shut up when I cried in the hallway right before the 2nd surgery are just a few of the indignities I suffered precisely because I was unnecessarily and unceremoniously mutilated.

Tell that to the zealots who talk about such idiocies as "preventing having to do it later in childhood..."; the foreskin "causing a feeling of differentness"; etc. All of these questions of differentness and trauma would be more than adequately addressed if the practice was not done routinely to infants. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, to repeat the cliche'. I only wish they had kept their f***ing medically sterile hands off me! --from the NOHARMM mail list

* Two other men called in to say what miserable lives they've had due to botched circumcisions. Circ Info Network 941208

* I knew that my penis was not as it ought to be, from the age of about 3. My reaction then was that I was born that way as a punishment for some wrong of mine which I could not recall nor comprehend. At age 9 I was told that my MGM was a mistake, that there had been nothing wrong with me that required its being done. The doctors had bullied my naive 19 year-old mother whilst my intact father was away at war to cut me and the various physical messes were a result of the MGM.

She talked about having further surgery to correct the worst of them, and I can still re-live (and see with photographic clarity) the terror and my scream of "NO NO, Mummy, NO!" which probably reflected a deep memory of the original pain. Throughout childhood onwards I felt mutilated, ugly, and unlovely and unlovable.

When you add that to the ordinary doubts of puberty; when you add that to the loss of sexual function (every erection was uncomfortable because of lack of skin); when I saw every day the crooked, ragged scar, the skin bridge, tags, suture-holes, the scars of infections on the skin just below the corona, the large 'blister-scar,' the encysted remains of my frenulum and the resulting twisting and general deformation; when so much sensation had been lost that at age 20 I could not feel oral sex on my glans but had to look; when at age 40 so much sensation had been lost that sex is and always was just a mechanical thrusting which at best felt of nothing, and more usually was a dry, abrading grind of encrusted vaginal fluids on the base of the shaft; then it is little wonder that I am now impotent. --from the NOHARMM mail list

* What really ticks me off is that someone decided that I didn't ever need to fully experience my own body in its natural state since that natural state is filthy, disgusting, too animal-like for us "highly evolved" humans to tolerate, etc. I had no rights then - I was just someone's property.

It amazes me that a whole society can blind itself to the fact that it willingly participates in the barbaric sexual mutilation of male babies. Mothers agree to this ritualistic practice out of ignorance. If they knew the truth the practice would quickly die out and maybe even be outlawed.

Yes I am traumatized, and our society's blind acceptance of sexual mutilation isn't helping my recovery at all. --from the Restoration mail list
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I think I may send this list to my dad just to put his mind at ease as to why I did not have ds circumcised.

Do you know the percentage of babies in this country who are circumcised have botched jobs, or otherwise have things go wrong?
So what are the statistics like?

I think I read somewhere that like, it takes circumcising somewhere like 200 boys to prevent 2 urinary tract infections, right?

And in keeping that line of thought, out of that 200 boys, how many of them will have problems related to their circumcisions, or either related to a medical mistake?

(Sorry if that question did not make sense. I am very hungry right now, and when I am hungry, I can't concentrate. Let me go eat, and come back and rephrase this.
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The studies on UTI's in boys under a year old are not very dependable because they have not been limited to just healthy boys. The original Wiswell studies included all boys at the hospitals who had not been circumcised before leaving the hospital. This means that the studies included a lot of boys who were sick for one reson or another or who had significant health problems. This would have contirbuted to a much higher risk of UTi's because the boys were sick or weak anyway than would a study that included only healthy deliveries. In any case, since UTI's affect only about one percent of all boys in the first year of life, it is correct that you would have to do approximately 100 neonatal circumcisions to prevent one UTI in the first year of life. It is a really stupid argument for neonatal circumcision, particularly since UTI's are generally easily treatable with antibiotics, and you are right, I think, in concluding that the risks associated with circumcision would certainly not justify the operation to prevent one UTI.
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Originally Posted by gabysmom617
So what are the statistics like?
To circumcise at birth to prevent future "problems" or to "cure" a problem at ANY point of a humans' life would essentially be like cutting off the lower ear lobes-- the cartledge-- which DO get infected for SOME people. It sounds totally crazy, yes? Well, so does cutting off the foreskin which ISN'T a "disposable" body part! The brainwashing of society (globally) has the foreskin that later category.

Originally Posted by hummingbear
Ya were is Frank?

Originally Posted by hummingbear
The truth is that we really don't know what the complication rate is. The medical associations have given a figure of about 1/500 but when they have been challenged with the fact that the incidence of meatal stenosis alone is at least 9%, they go all mumbly. They give a death rate of 1/500,000 but when they are presented with the names and dates of the deaths of dead boys, they tend to get scarce when they see that we have more names that their figures would suggest.

The medical profession survives on secrecy. Just last week, I saw a news article about a study that found that 55% of hospital patients get inadequate care that could endanger them. I have a friend who is a mortician that tells me he gets 5 or 6 bodies a year of people who have had surgery and have died of staph infections in local hospitals. I see commercials on television produced and paid for by The American Medical Association titled "Every Day Heros" apparently to counter the gross negligence of their members. In my state (and most states) the state medical association is run by doctors, not the state and they protect their members. You can't call them up and get information on one of their members, even the ones that have killed and maimed members. They hide the true toll of circumcision mishaps and complications because if the true toll were known, it might kill the cash cow.

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