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I would *really* like this (thread) to be able to stay, at least for informational purposes. Let's not get it pulled, okay?<br><br><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15618076/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15618076/</a><br><br><b>All eyes on Kennedy in court debate on abortion</b><br><i>Justice expected to be swing vote in ruling on late-term procedure</i><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Do we have a nail-chewing smilie?
 

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Wow. I won't say anything more because I don't want this thread pulled either. I'll be watching and biting my nails too. Scary stuff.<br><br>
ETA, it looks like he's been against partial-birth abortion all along, I wonder if he'll continue to vote it down?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Insert comment here that elloquently expresses my concern over the issue without sparking debate.</div>
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That was truly profound.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That was truly profound.</div>
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That's why they like me right?
 

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I really hate referring to late term abortions as "partial birth". That is the wording of those that would oppose the provision of abortion for all in all cases that is so widely used by media beecause of it's horror factor. The truth is that late term abortions account for something like 1% of all abortions nation wide.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I really hate referring to late term abortions as "partial birth". That is the anti-choice wording that is so widely used by media beecause of it's horror factor. The truth is that late term abortions account for something like 1% of all abortions nation wide.</div>
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And are usually b/c mother's life is in danger.<br><br>
Where is the nail chewing smilie?
 

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What is the definition of late-term abortion? I do not want to try Google because I don't want to wade through all the crap sites that search will dredge up.
 

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It is a D&X. Just like an early miscarraige gets you a D&C. The article had it right. The verbage just... grates on my nerves.
 

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I believe it's 16 weeks or later judging from the wikipedia article. But I don't think 16 weeks is viable or is the definition of viable different than what I think?<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion</a>
 

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I have mixed feelings on the whole partial birth abortion. The procedure itself grosses me out... I hope it is as rare as many say, and that it is truly only done in case of risk to the Mom's health. Having said that, I worry that any law that hinders abortion rights hurts every women... and just sends us back into the alleys. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I come at this from a weird perspective... born in 1968 (pre Roe v. Wade) and given up for adoption. I wonder... did my Mom try and get an abortion? Would she have, had they been legal? Etc.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sorry, I meant after what week is it considered "late-term"?</div>
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I believe it's anything after the 1st trimester or after when most states allow abortions with out doctor conscent. That sort of thing. Like you can walk into a planned parenthood and get an abortion. That's not a later term abortion. If you have to go to your dr or a hospital to get it done, that is.<br><br>
That's my understanding of it at least. Even most late term abortions are done around 20 wks I believe. Usually for fetal anomallies found in the routine ultrasounds.
 

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Please do not use purposely inflammatory remarks such as "anti-choice" or I will be forced to turn this into a debate that will get this thread pulled.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Well, what do you want me to call the people who are against all abortions?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, what do you want me to call the people who are against all abortions?</div>
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She wants you use the term "pro-life". Personally I don't like that term (and of course she probably doesn't like the term "pro-choice"). But seriously let's try to be cool here OK?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I believe it's anything after the 1st trimester or after when most states allow abortions with out doctor conscent. That sort of thing. Like you can walk into a planned parenthood and get an abortion. That's not a later term abortion. If you have to go to your dr or a hospital to get it done, that is.<br><br>
That's my understanding of it at least. Even most late term abortions are done around 20 wks I believe. Usually for fetal anomallies found in the routine ultrasounds.</div>
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I worked in a clinic doing first- and second-tri ABs. Most AB providers don't consider ABs "late-term" (which doesn't mean anything anyway; there are a number of procedures that can be used to terminate a pregnancy after 20 weeks. D&X is just one type of procedure.) until after 20-22 weeks. Legally, states cannot ban second-trimester abortions (though they can and do place restrictions), but because there are few providers trained in the procedures they're difficult to obtain in many places.<br><br><br>
FWIW, states with more restrictive AB laws have higher proportions of later ABs.
 

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hrm...
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Well it's not very pro-lie if you willing to risk the mother's life or make her carry a baby that's goign to die upon delivery, but whatever. I'll not say anything again... Although I'm not calling the people I'm talking about "pro-life".<br><br>
And you can't make me... so there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I worked in a clinic doing first- and second-tri ABs. Most AB providers don't consider ABs "late-term" (which doesn't mean anything anyway; there are a number of procedures that can be used to terminate a pregnancy after 20 weeks. D&X is just one type of procedure.) until after 20-22 weeks. Legally, states cannot ban second-trimester abortions (though they can and do place restrictions), but because there are few providers trained in the procedures they're difficult to obtain in many places.</td>
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I thought it was around 18-20 weeks. I wasn't sure though. Thanks for the information.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I believe it's anything after the 1st trimester or after when most states allow abortions with out doctor conscent. That sort of thing. Like you can walk into a planned parenthood and get an abortion. That's not a later term abortion. If you have to go to your dr or a hospital to get it done, that is.<br><br>
That's my understanding of it at least. Even most late term abortions are done around 20 wks I believe. Usually for fetal anomallies found in the routine ultrasounds.</div>
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Not from what I've read about. I thought most abortions were in clinics with a range of ages. Especially with security problems nowadays. "Late term" I though referred to after 20 weeks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have mixed feelings on the whole partial birth abortion. The procedure itself grosses me out... I hope it is as rare as many say, and that it is truly only done in case of risk to the Mom's health. Having said that, <b>I worry that any law that hinders abortion rights hurts every women... and just sends us back into the alleys.</b> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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i don't agree with partial birth abortions for 'convience' but it is nessisary is cases of risk to mom's health etc. which is why i think it should be available. but maybe not so readily available? no i'm not a pro-lifer but i guess some would say because i'm against partial birth other than in an emergency i'm not a pro-choicer either? guess i'm in the gray on this one. the reason i would say keep it legal is exactly what Umsami said which i have emphasised.
 
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