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Can anyone share general advice on interview process and giving a job talk for a teaching position (geared at UGs)? Also, when and how should I bring up DH?<br><br>
DH and I both applied for TT assistant prof jobs at the same college (in different departments) w/o indicating that we were linked or would be a 'package' if you can call it that. Now I have an interview there in a week and he hasn't heard anything... What to do??<br><br>
Background: DH is almost 2 years out of Phd, doing postdoc in good lab, tons of teaching experience, but struggling on pubs. I am in different (unrelated) field, just out this month, but good pubs and in hottish field, also experience in industry and consulting and could fall back on those. I always planned to trail him - He has applied VERY broadly, and I applied to this one college where he had also applied.<br><br>
Also, any general advice and tips? What to wear, what to expect? I've done tons of industry interviews, but never academic jobs, so I feel clueless...
 

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hey Callie--<br>
just on the you and dh thing...I have interviewed several times and dh and I are in the same field and even interviewed for the same job. it can become really weird. My advice is to interview as if you are single or as if you are the one who needs to support your whole family. If you let them see you as a "package," they will not pay you as much as you are worth or will try to do things to benefit themselves like giving you one housing package or one set of benefits. If the $$ difference is there because you are a couple AND you don't get any other benefits (like reduced hours, etc) then you are getting screwed. I have been through this a couple times so I'm sorry to be harsh but that's the reality in my world, which is, sadly, the church.<br><br>
on a lighter note, you can't go wrong with a dark suit, dark hose, and low-heeled pumps with a bright shirt. overdressed is better, IMO, for an interview.<br><br>
any other questions feel free to email or pm me!
 

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Yay Callie!<br><br>
No, don't bring up DH at this point. They'll get to the point of a vote within the department. At that point it enters a negotiation phase, which is when it's probably best to bring up the two body problem.<br><br>
During your interview listen up for people who mention that their spouse is also faculty, people who mention on campus daycare, etc, but don't really contribute much.<br><br>
The only reason I'd even mention that you were part of a couple at this point is if Nora is still nursing, and you doubt your ability to go from 8 am to 10 pm without pumping. Assume that your interview might go that long -- breakfast through a late dinner.<br><br>
Other advice --- get a sense of startup for your field and the type of school. You might be asked about what kind of space and $$ you need. Think about of how undergrads might be involved in your research, and where the money can come from. Otherwise, treat it as any other interview.<br><br>
Clothes: I wear a suit for interviews, and I've noticed everyone else does, too. Conservative suit or skirt and blouse. Comfy shoes. I've now had two foot cramps in the middle of my seminar talk (one was a job talk). Not good.
 

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The 2 body issue comes up at the offer stage. Not before. If/When they offer you ( or him) a position and if your Dh hasn't heard then you mention then that he's applied for the position. Or, if he's already been rejected, and if the institution is large enough, you can ask about opportunities for a spousal hire.<br><br>
You can check out the message boards for the Chronicle of Higher Ed and there are many threads about this issue. They also regularly reccomend some book about getting an academic job but it slips my mind at the moment. FWIW, I"m also in the hunting stage so my advice is just passing alone what I've heard from others.
 

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Hey, thanks yall!<br><br>
I really appreciate the advice - I would have probably said something and made a huge faux paus <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
must take suit to drycleaners.... must think about interview questions..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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So, I don't have this dilemma, but in my dept (Biology), we have done a TON of hiring in the last 4 years, and we constantly have "teams" interview for positions. We have hired 2 dh/dw teams (and in one case, they wanted the dw but the dh has ended up being SO MUCH BETTER than the dw). It was all up front and everyone knew that if they hired x, there would need to be a position for y. However, this is in ONE dept, and not across depts.<br><br>
Anyway, thought I would give a different perspective.<br><br>
Oh, one more thing....would you take the job if your dh didn't have a job there? 'Cause if not, I would be upfront. There's no point wasting anyone's time if you wouldn't take the job if your dh didn't have some position there.
 

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Interesting... that happened in my DHs old dept, where they took 2 sets of spousal hires and the one that 'came along' ended up being more productive/contributing to the dept more than they originally wanted...<br><br>
You're not hiring now are you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">: ? My DH is a biologist.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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No clue about the two body problem but definitely wear a suit! Depending on what dept. you are interviewing in, the faculty might all be wearing t-shirts and jeans but you can bet that the administrators you talk to won't be.<br><br>
Also, check out this article for interview tips, questions to ask, etc: <a href="http://www.ascb.org/newsfiles/teaching.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ascb.org/newsfiles/teaching.pdf</a><br><br>
Good luck!
 

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When I did my academic interviews a couple years ago (I was 5 months preg at the time! That's another story...) EVERY place I interviewed specifically mentioned their spousal hire program. Many universities have this.<br><br>
If you actually have the interview chances are you're one of 3-4 final candidates for the job. They are checking you out as much as you are checking them out. I would probably not mention DH during the interview unless it specifically comes up (for example they mention THEIR spousal hire program, if they have one). Otherwise, give it your best shot, dress well (I didn't wear a suit, but I did wear "conference attire" for mine - I think it probably depends on the field somewhat) - and make sure you write a thank-you note when you're done.<br><br>
If and when they get back in touch with you and/or DH, mention it then.<br><br>
Good luck!!! Academic interviews are so stressful. I might also consider x-posting this question on the Chronicle of Higher Education Work and Family Balance discussion boards.
 

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We also hired a couple in my department a couple of years ago, and they are both great. However, across campus, it does not happen easily. When I was interviewing for academic jobs, I got asked from every place about what my husband does.... I think people were trying to be helpful; after all they want to hire someone who would stay.<br><br>
Best of luck to both you and your husband!
 
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