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Hi ladies,<br><br>
In 2-3 weeks I'll be giving birth to my 3rd child. I am preparing my birth plan and have so far attached copies of the forms provided by <a href="http://www.vaclib.org" target="_blank">www.vaclib.org</a> for my refusal of the Hep B, eye gunk and Vitamin K shot. There is also one there for the newborn screening, but I haven't decided if that is really an issue. Besides worrying me that my child had some disease or disability, I'm not seeing anything wrong with it. Please feel free to share your opinions on that.<br><br>
But my main reason for posting is about the Acceptance of Responsibility letter. I understand completely the intent of turning the intimidation tables on a pushy nurse/doc, but what if I get some cocky ass who does agree to sign it? If that happens I know I'll feel like eating my foot. It's not going to make me change my mind about no vax's, but I'll look like a complete fool not following through with what I started.<br><br>
Should I even include this in my plan? I didn't have it written down with my last son and it was brought up a lot by the nurses who came in and out. I just want them to shut up and leave us be, but think this letter might be a bit much.
 

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Hep B is the only nb vax so if you have that taken care of then I wouldn;t bother with another form.<br><br>
You should have a no vax form for yourself also.
 

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My advice (recently having gone through this w/ my own third child) is to let them know ahead of time too (if possible). My OB-GYN was a huge advocate for me!
 

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They test moms for antibodies and then push MMR (which is not recommended for nursing mothers) and they may be starting to do the same thing for CP.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some docs are pushing the new tdap as well.</div>
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Before discharge from the hospital, the CDC now recommends the following vaccines:<br><br>
Varicella (chicken pox)<br>
MMR<br>
Tdap
 

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Before discharge from the hospital, the CDC now recommends the following vaccines:<br><br>
Varicella (chicken pox)<br>
MMR<br>
Tdap</div>
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Can you still refuse these shots even though the CDC recommends them?
 

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You can refuse anything at the hospital for yourself or your baby, you may catch sh*t about it from hospital staff but it is totally whithin your rights.
 

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Don't worry -- you won't get anyone to sign that letter. I'm not sure what the upside is to immediately set up a hostile and snarky communication (which I think that letter does) with your medical providers.
 

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i wouldn't include it in your plan, but keep a copy of it in your hospital bag and pull it out if they hound you. giving it to them beforehand might set up an adversarial relationship with the medical staff, and that might not be the best thing going in to your baby's birth like that. save it for if you really need it.<br><br>
wishing you a wonderful birth!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hi ladies,<br><br>
In 2-3 weeks I'll be giving birth to my 3rd child. I am preparing my birth plan and have so far attached copies of the forms provided by <a href="http://www.vaclib.org" target="_blank">www.vaclib.org</a> for my refusal of the Hep B, eye gunk and Vitamin K shot. There is also one there for the newborn screening, but I haven't decided if that is really an issue. Besides worrying me that my child had some disease or disability, I'm not seeing anything wrong with it. Please feel free to share your opinions on that.<br><br>
But my main reason for posting is about the Acceptance of Responsibility letter. I understand completely the intent of turning the intimidation tables on a pushy nurse/doc, but what if I get some cocky ass who does agree to sign it? If that happens I know I'll feel like eating my foot. It's not going to make me change my mind about no vax's, but I'll look like a complete fool not following through with what I started.<br><br>
Should I even include this in my plan? I didn't have it written down with my last son and it was brought up a lot by the nurses who came in and out. I just want them to shut up and leave us be, but think this letter might be a bit much.</div>
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I am giving birth in Nov, and although I have spoken with the hospital on what to do to avoid the hep b and vit k, (and whatever else they may push) I want to make sure I have ALL my bases covered. What forms are you speaking of? There is so much info on that site I don't know where to look. I would like to include something (other then a letter) in the paperwork I send to the hospital in Sept for my registration. Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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You can easily refuse the Hep B (keep the baby with you or a trusted family member at all times!), but refusing Vit K in NY is much more difficult as this one is, technically, required by law.<br><br>
NYS sucks.
 

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<a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showpost.php?p=9926960&postcount=11" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...0&postcount=11</a>
 

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Dec 7, 1999 <a href="http://home.att.net/~waterbird/" target="_blank">home.att.net/~waterbird</a><br>
This paper seeks repeal or nullification of <b>New York State Law NYCRR, Title 10, Section 12.3, which mandates the injection of all newborns with a Vitamin K prophylaxis</b>.</td>
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<a href="http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/vitamin-k.htm" target="_blank">http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/vitamin-k.htm</a>
 

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Whatever you do, DO NOT LET YOUR BABY OUT OF YOUR SIGHT!!!<br><br>
Hospital have been known to vaccinate when they take the infant to be checked, right after birth. Birth plans and parental desires have been ignored.<br><br>
Unless there is an emergency, there is no reason for you to be separated from your child from the moment of birth until you leave the hospital.<br><br>
Should there be a medical emergency, vaccinating is the last thing that should be done. But, often, they will do it as soon as baby is out of your sight (afterall, dear, it for the baby's health and safety...blah-blah-blah...).<br><br>
Make sure you know the laws for your state. I was handed a form to sign and told it was state law that ds had to have the HepB right after birth. I signed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I didn't know anything about vaccines before he was born, the result of my not learning, as I should have. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
If you need to leave the room, make sure that someone you can trust stays with baby. Make sure they understand your desires and will not be ignored or bullied by staff!<br><br>
Keep your baby in your sight, at all times!
 
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