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My ds is 6 1/2 wks old. He seems to have some strange activity at the breast. Sometimes he will grunt, squirm, pull and hit while nursing. It's as if he is trying to come off, but can't. Sometimes I think he is getting too much milk and can't handle it, and other times I think he is not getting enough and is frustrated. Neither of these activities are new, so they are not directly related to a growth spurt. Anyone else experiencing this? Any thoughts on keeping him calm at the breast? (Stroking and talking softly do not seem to be helping). TIA!
 

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My little guy did that around that age too. My MW explained he's not even aware that the flapping flailing arms belong to him and he doesn't understand why he keeps getting hit with things. She recomended holding him close, swaddling. For my guy it was usually late at night that he'd do those antics. Around that time we switched to more side laying nursing. It seems like he was more comfy and maybe felt more stable.<br>
I also realized i did have an overactive let down/oversupply and treated for that<br>
i found that it was a passing stage that happened right before his coordination improved soon after he was able to start bringing things to his mouth to chomp and explore
 

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My new little guy is doing the same thing, too. I also have an overactive letdown/oversupply, but have noticed it gets better when I swaddle him...
 

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My 9 week old twins do that too, and swaddling has helped a lot.
 

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Awww. I remember both mine doing that. My kids used to swat themselves in the face,too. The hands would start flying out of control alot at that age. I used to say it looked like they were picking fruit from a tree,or swatting bugs away.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> The only thing that seemed to help was swaddling. Some babies don't like that,though,so if your ds doesn't care to be swaddled,maybe just try cradling him more so that you are holding his hand,kwim?
 

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My dd is the same age, and she's doing the same thing! I also have quite a letdown and oversupply, and she often ends up with milk all over her chin so I've been sitting her up a bit lately, and it seems to help.<br><br>
She squirms, pulls her head away (while still latched!), kicks her feet and flails her arms,but doesn't seem to want to stop nursing.<br><br>
I just hug her a little more closely (we only swaddle at night as a bedtime trigger) and hold her down! LOL!
 

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Gosh, my 4 week old does that, too! He is usually crying, though, in combination with the flailing, hitting, pulling away from the breast, etc. So I've chalked his up to bubbles in the tummy/reflux issues. Does your babe seem upset when they are doing these things?
 

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I did notice that when dd does this the most, it's usually when she's pooping. She HATES the feeling of digestion (although she's getting better and more accustomed) and I can always tell when she's about to go!!
 

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it may be that your ds needs to go potty. lots of babies do when they are nursing.
 

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my three month old still does that we call it, the crazy arms-crazy legs, it sure makes it difficult to nurse he is too big to swaddle but that used to help. i have recently started pulling him away and trying to calm him, let him finish the pooping thing etc...but some times we just stop nursing not worth fighting the appendages he just nurses more frequently<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/winner.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="BFSymbol">
 

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During what part of the feed is he doing it? I think different times could mean different things:<br><br>
If its periodically through out the entire feed (I'd think swaddling would help the flapping arm thing) or if its only at the beginning I'd lean towards forceful letdown or if its only at the end maybe a burp or wanting to switch sides.<br><br>
My dd is getting old enough now that she doesnt do it anymore and I kind of miss it<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy">
 

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Swaddling helps control those spastic arm movements and will help your child focus on the two things his body seems to be doing - eating and pooping. It's very common for newborns/small infants to have a bowel movement everytime they nurse, so he may be working on that.<br><br>
Good stuff in, waste out!
 

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strathconamama: I haven't been able to pick up a pattern yet, I will try to pay attention to that. I think it is associated with letdown, that is when it starts, but it will continue way beyond that.<br><br>
anewmommy: He is definately upset while all this is going on! Crying, and playing "red baby, purple baby" as we like to call it!<br><br>
UPDATE: I tried swaddling last night. He was still crying, pulling away, shaking head, squirmy, overall upset. the swaddling controlled the arms, and he did fall asleep in about 20 minutes. Okay, so this is good for nighttime. But he was doing it again this morning, during his second nursing. So, I don't want him to fall back asleep this early (worked hard to get his days and nights right), what now? Maybe he is just pooping...I will continue to offer the breaks when he starts this and see if it helps. DH thinks he is just looking for sucking comfort at this point and I should work on the paci (currently he only takes it from others, not the boob lady!). Any thoughts on this?
 

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My baby (4 weeks) has odd activity at the breast too. When my milk hadn't come in (it didn't come in until Day 8/9!) I thought he nursed all the time because he wasn't getting enough. Now, that my milk is in, he acts different at the breas, and like, you, I think that he sometimes gets TOO much or gets frustrated when he wants to comfort-suck and gets milk. I still worry at times that he isn't getting enough. I especially worry when he feeds less and goes longer between feedings, though I think that probably means he is just getting more efficient.<br><br>
As for the activity, he grunts a lot, moves his face back and forth frantically, curls his legs up to his belly... I think some of it is gas/potty time. He often pulls away from the breast, will grunt for a few minutes, seem to catch his breath and then go back for more. This often repeats several times. He does a little of the flailing appendages too.<br><br>
I'm glad you asked this because I was beginning to wonder myself!
 
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