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I just got my 19 month old daughters "hair elements" test back from Doctor's Data and need help in understanding them. I would GREATLY appreciate any insight anyone can offer.<br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/havasushannon/ShannonsDaughtersHairTest.jpg" target="_blank">http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...rsHairTest.jpg</a><br><br>
Here they are:<br><br>
Toxic Elements------Result(ug/g)------Reference Range<br>
Aluminum ------ 15 ------ <8.0<br>
Antimony ------ 0.11 ------ <0.066<br>
Arsenic ------ 0.14 ------ <0.080<br>
Beryllium ------ <0.01 ----- <0.020<br>
Bismuth ----- 0.34 ----- <2.0<br>
Cadmium --- 0.20 --- <0.10<br>
Lead --- 1.0 --- <1.0<br>
Mercury --- 0.06 --- <0.40<br>
Platinum --- <0.003 --- <0.005<br>
Thallium ---<0.001 --- <0.010<br>
Thorium --- 0.004 ---<0.005<br>
Uranium --- 0.047 --- <0.060<br>
Nickel --- 0.14 --- <0.40<br>
Silver --- 0.09 --- <0.20<br>
Tin --- 0.57 --- <0.30<br>
Titanium --- 0.72 --- <1.0<br>
Total Toxic Representation Guessing about 90th<br><br>
Essential and Other Elements:<br>
Elements --- Result(ug/g) --- Reference Range<br>
Calcium --- 263 --- 140-500<br>
Magnesium --- 18 --- 15-45<br>
Sodium --- 120 --- 12-90<br>
Potassium --- 100 --- 9-60<br>
Copper --- 11 --- 10-22<br>
Zinc --- 140 --- 100-190<br>
Manganese --- 0.43--- 0.20-0.55<br>
Chromium --- 0.47 --- 0.26-0.50<br>
Vanadium ---0.39 --- 0.030-0.10<br>
Molybdenum--- 0.13--- 0.048-0.13<br>
Boron --- 5.7 --- 0.35-3.0<br>
Iodine ---5.2 --- 0.25-1.3<br>
Lithium--- 0.015 --- 0.007-0.023<br>
Phosphorus--- 172 --- 160-250<br>
Selenium --- 1.0 --- 0.95-1.7<br>
Strontium --- 0.85 --- 0.19-2.0<br>
Sulfur ---52400--- 45500-53000<br>
Barium --- 0.70 --- 0.16-1.2<br>
Cobalt --- 0.012 --- 0.013-0.035<br>
Iron --- 24 --- 8.0-19<br>
Germanium --- 0.045 --- 0.045-0.065<br>
Rubidium --- 0.13 --- 0.012-0.16<br>
Zirconium ---0.68 ---0.030-1.0<br><br>
Ratios:<br>
Elements --- Ratios --- Expected Range<br>
Ca/Mg --- 14.6 --- 4-30<br>
Ca/P --- 1.53 --- 1-12<br>
Na/K ---1.2 --- 0.5-10<br>
Zn/Cu --- 12.7 --- 4-20<br>
Zn/Cd --- 700 --- >800<br><br>
I was going to try to post the percentiles but the ranges are hard to guess on some of them. If these would really help I can try. Again, I would greatly appreciate some help with this.<br><br>
Thanks,<br>
Shannon
 

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<a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html</a><br><br>
I've been reading on this site about how to interpret the results. But it seems to require which colored band the results end up in. Did yours have colors as well?<br><br>
ETA: In re-reading the site, it seems like > or < 50% is also important.<br><br>
ETA2: I've just started reading about this test, so this is really interesting and I keep coming back. The stuff I wrote above is for mercury specifically (because that's been my interest), but there were a couple things that are apparently typical (not a rule, just as a generality) about mercury problems that your daughter doesn't have (on that site I linked). I don't have experience with the things like aluminum, antimony and arsenic that seem really high, but I'd guess they could be problematic.
 

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<span style="font-size:xx-large;">I posted a link in my first post to the actual results.</span>
 

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Okay, FWIW, this is my take. It looks like mercury is not a problem--none of Andy Cutler's counting rules were met, so her mineral transport is okay. So I think the problem metals are just the ones that are the yellow ones at the top--aluminum, antimony, arsenic, cadmium, tin and borderline for lead. They aren't in the red, which seems good, but I wouldn't be happy about the yellow, particularly given how many there are.<br><br>
I've just been reading about this, haven't done it with my own kids because, well, we've been seeing good results treating my son's health as just a mercury issue, so I didn't go back and test. I've thought about testing once we've dealt with the mercury problems, though, just for confirmation that all is well.
 

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sorry i'm no help with the results, but i'm wondering about this test.. did you pay to have this test done or did your insurance cover it? what prompted you to have it done?<br><br>
i'm asking because i'm concerned about my son's aluminum levels but my dr doesn't seem to be...
 

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In addition to the info. and link that TanyaLopez already posted, <a href="http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm" target="_blank">Dana's View</a> also has a good rundown of various metals and minerals and their sources.
 

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Do you have an appointment to go back to the osteo and discuss the results (and possible courses of action)? That, I think, is your next smart step. No one here can give you better answers than they can. the iterpretations required is complex, becuase you are looking 1. for balance 2. appropriateness of levels of specific (highly toxic) metals and 3. abundance of mineral availability, which this test won't even tell you. But your dr. should be able to tell you whether the availability of, say, the magnesium in her system is sufficient to balance out higer levels of, say, cadmium. kwim? That kind of thing is learned and the more experience they have the easier it is for them to get the info to you that YOU need - ie: do we need treatment, if so what kind and for what, when to start, and what the options are. And if we DON'T use a specific medical treatment, what should you be doing to remedy some of the imbalances? Diet, shampoo change?, clothing/soaps issues? So hopefully there ARE things yo ucan do before panicking about medical treatments, mama, 'cause it sure is obvious how scared and concerned you are!!! Loving babies sure does come w/that heavy heavy price. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> I'm sure things will work out - I hope it happens quickly and cheaply and comfortably for you all. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/grouphug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="grouphug">
 

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Thanks for the help. My osteopath said to email him, so that's what I am doing now. I will post once I get a response. Thanks again for the help.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Well I finally spoke with him and still left feeling clueless. We went over the elevated levels and discussed the typical places they might've come from, and that i should get her an organic mattress. But I feel like he really didn't have an understanding of how they all relate, and how to interpret the test.<br>
Ohhh, this is so frustrating and making me so sad. I try so hard to do things right, but yet I am failing. What should I do?
 

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That's frustrating not to get all your questions answered.<br><br>
If you want to PM me, I could share what our HCP has us doing for detox support for the kids. For my son, the problem is mercury, but for my daughter, I think it's more diffuse, but either way, it's the same supps (vitamins/minerals, I mean).
 

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you are not failing! far from it -- you are working hard to help your DD. it can be frustrating and exhausting b/c we have to really listen to our mama instincts and keep pushing for answers. I had similar feelings as you after reviewing DS's results with his practitioner.<br><br>
the link in post #2 is a spin-off from Andrew Hall Cutler's work at <a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/" target="_blank">http://www.noamalgam.com/</a>. if you haven't already, check out his site. he has a doctorate in chemistry, a bachelor's in physics, he studied biochemistry and medicine, and healed himself from mercury poisoning. he is now helping others do the same.<br><br>
wrt hair tests, he asserts that you can't always take the results at face value. i.e. a high or low reading for a metal or mineral does not necessarily mean you are high/low in that element. I have his Amalgam Illness book and will be using his protocol to chelate myself as soon as I finish my amalgam removal. I also just got his <a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html" target="_blank">Hair Test Interpretation book</a> to get the full value of my and DS's hair tests. the book goes into a lot of detail for each element and how they relate to one another. it also has a ton of actual hair test examples from other people with detailed analyses. it also has his complete "counting rules" discussed in the link in post #2. his primary focus is mercury, but he is very knowledgable on all of the heavy metals.<br><br>
you could also post your results on the yahoo group (also referenced in link from post #2) for others to review and provide input.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> and good luck to you! hang in there!
 
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