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Hi all. I haven't been in this forum for a while, but I had a question for all you well-informed experts on not vaxing. I am writing a book in partnership with a family doc about all the general caretaking of a baby during the first year of life. We have a great chapter on vaccinations which encourages parents to research, states that the adverse reactions to vaccines are more likely than contracting the disease, admits there's no right answer to whether to vax because there are risks either way, gives info on the diseases, their vaccines and the adverse reactions.<br><br>
I'm doing some final editing on this chapter and I realize we've left some parents hanging--those who choose to not vaccinate. We tell them it's their choice, they should research and think hard about it, but we do not offer them any advice on what they need to do if they do not vax.<br><br>
That's why I thought I'd post here to get your advice. I'm writing a section for them tonight that will give them a couple of websites they can go to to find out info about their state's exemptions. Essentially, what I've thought of is that they need to know what exemptions there are and how they can qualify.<br><br>
What other advice would you recommend we tell parents? Is there something I'm missing? (That's all I can think of as a parent who has unvaxed kids, myself.)<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
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How about studies that show that unvaccinated kids have a much smaller chance of getting asthma and allergies?<br><br>
Wish you a lot of success.
 

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If it's not already discussed, I think the symptoms of VPDs and how to treat them might be beneficial. Good luck!<br><br>
ETA: I meant more how to treat them at home/ get your child through them, not meds.
 

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I'd talk about the fact that a couple of the VPD's are a sure thing. Like rotavirus. So information about the symptoms, (vomiting followed by yuck butt)...the treatment (keep hydrated! Small amounts of fluid, even a few sips, as regularly as possible) and when to really worry (signs of dehydration) and what to do in the "worst case scenario" (go to the ER) and what to expect (IV fluids for a few hours, maybe overnight). Also make a point that 99 times out of a hundred (or even less if a parent is prepared) it won't come down to a hospital visit, but it's good to know that even the worst case scenario isn't the end of the world, or even a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Thanks! I hadn't even thought about offering advice on how to treat the diseases, or even go into detail about the symptoms. Gosh, I'm wondering if we have enough room to do that in this book . . .<br><br>
Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it.<br><br>
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Since we may not have space to add all that info, I will at the very least encourage parents to research it themselves--to find out the symptoms of VPDs as well as treatments.<br><br>
Thanks again.
 

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Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it.<br><br>
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Since we may not have space to add all that info, I will at the very least encourage parents to research it themselves--to find out the symptoms of VPDs as well as treatments.<br><br>
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Maybe if you don't have the space to go into it, you could just provide a few links to get people started? I found that as far as treating/dealing with them, most google searches for VPDs just say that there's a vax for it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">
 

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Just an FYI...<br>
If I were writing the book...lol...I'd just give info about the few VPDs that there's a reasonable chance a baby might catch in the first year.<br>
1)rotavirus<br>
2) "influenza-like-illness" (remembering that 9 out of 10 cases of "the flu" as diagnosed by doctors turn out to not actually be caused by actual influenza viruses<br>
3) pertussis<br><br>
And then I'd mention that life is weird, so there's always the extremely small chance any child, vaccinated or not, could, in theory, catch the more obscure and rare VPDs, so it's good to research those, as well, regarding symptoms and treatment.
 

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I was going to ditto mamakay...I'd include whatever info you're going to have about VPD's in the section for everyone, vaxing or not, to read. The vaxes by no means are 100%, and vax'ing folks should be even MORE aware of the symptoms, IMO, since their doctor is likely going to say "hmmm...your child got the DTaP, can't be pertussis." Plus since even the CDC and vax manufacturers agree that it takes a few doses to confer any level of immunity, if your 4 month old gets sick, they haven't had more than a dose or two anyway.<br><br>
I really like the section on VPD's and their treatments in the Aviva Jill Romm book if you can reference that maybe?
 

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I am going to provide links, as well as some good books. I will certainly include Aviva Jill Romm.<br><br>
I think you're right . . . we should list the symptoms to look for under the info about each VPD. We have a bit of that, but more often than symptoms we have what the disease does to the body. I think symptoms are really important to include. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.<br><br>
We do say very plainly that the vaxes are no guarantee since they are not 100% effective. And you make a good point that vaxing folk need to know the symptoms just as much as us non-vaxing folk do.<br><br>
Gosh, thanks so much for your help, advice, and ideas! I really appreciate it. This book will have as much ap, nfl stuff in it that we can get past the editors . . . though it's supposed to be a book for everyone, meaning mainstream. But my co-writer (the doc) and I are very much ap. We wanted to give good info about vaccines and make the point very clearly that it is a parent's choice, and give the facts as best we can.<br><br>
Gotta run . . . crying babe.
 

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i go to the dr. sears website cuz they talk about the different childhood diseases, how to treat them, what to expect and when to seek medical attention.<br><br>
also i ordered a homeopathic prophylaxtics kit from australia (couldn't find one online here in the us), and i'm still looking into whether or not that counts as my child being vaccinated (i think homeopathics are legal here in the us in most states??)<br><br>
I think the biggest problem with whether to vax or not to vax is based on fear. so if you can allieviate some of those fears for parents, nothing says they have start vaxing on day 1, if they do choose to.
 

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I agree that it's very important to guide ALL parents to learning about what the symptoms of different illnesses are.<br><br>
Another very important issue is the function of a fever. All new mothers freak out when their tiny newborn gets their first fever. The first thing most of us want to do is run for the Tylenol to make it go away - to protect them. We need to all know what a fever accomplishes, the detriments of reducing it and when to know it's time for action.<br><br>
Also, regarding bf'ing - that if you bf AND cosleep, you reduce your baby's chances of dying from SIDS in HALF. Also, it is nearly impossible for bacteria and viruses to attach to the proteins in breastmilk. If you want your child to be free of rotavirus and other illnesses that grow in the gut, exclusively breastfeed. Thirdly, the most recent recommendations from the AAP regarding formula feeding - how tapwater containing flouride could be very harmful and it's now recommended to use bottled water.
 

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We have a great chapter on bfing--including a section detailing the risks of formula feeding. We also support cosleeping and give safety guidelines for it, as well as mentioning the extra safety effects of bfing and cosleeping.<br><br>
Thanks for the heads-up about fluoride in tap water. I'm going to have to look that up on the AAP website and put that in. As it is, we've said you can use tap or bottled water.<br><br>
Thanks!
 
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