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Today was <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/396062015/" target="_blank">Lucas</a>' 6mo WBV. I refused shots because he has a cold and is in the middle of a developmental explosion that I just refuse to mess with at present. He's growing well and is hitting all his milestones, some early. There were three things she told me today that stood out, though, as common mainstream ped advice that I'm not so sure about.<br><br><b>You mean he hasn't started cereal yet? He should go ahead and start an iron-fortified rice or oat cereal, we recommend an iron supplement for all breastfed babies after six months.</b> Isn't the cereal advice outdated, that little babies don't have the gut flora to digest cereals at that age? And what's up with the iron thing? I don't understand how my body was giving him enough iron at 5 months, 3 weeks, but after the magic 6-month mark it suddenly doesn't? And when I asked her if I were to raise my own iron intake, would that be the same thing, and she said "It might help a little, but not enough". Huh?<br><br><b>We recommend a fluoride supplement as well, since the tap water around here doesn't meet nutritional requirements.</b> Um, fluoride drops? By prescription? Every day?<br><br><b>You can go ahead and start breaking him of those nighttime feedings if they bother you.</b> Hey, good thing they don't bother me, since he just grew two and a half inches in less than a month and needs all the nutrition he can get! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
They were fine about not doing shots today, though the ped did say, "I know he has a cold, but I'm fine with doing shots today if you are". She also said something about if we break up the MMR, I have to go to some place called the "travel clinic" because the practice loses money if they order whole lots of the broken-up MMR drugs, since no one actually uses them.<br><br>
So, cereal? Fluoride? Night-weaning? I can pretty much guess what you mamas have to say about this stuff ... but I want to hear it anyway!
 

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Oh you know, I just nodded and said thank you to it all. I wouldn't want them to make notes in our file. (Where's the paranoid smiley????)<br><br>
We did hear all 3 of those (+ more) and left it at the door.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> to you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Forget the cereal, offer some of your veggies or fruits off your plate if he's interested. Flouride is an industrial by-product that's bad for everyone, only slightly benificial against cavities put directly on the teeth, bad ingested. Night nursing - follow his cues, he probably will still need to for a long time still. If it did bother you, you could discourage it a little, get it less often, but 6 months would be rather early even for that.
 

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He eats - 3-4 times a week. He has bananas, avocado, and sweet potato. No cereal in a bottle overnight or whatever you're "supposed" to do. When I told her what he ate, she got this interesting look on her face and said, "Wow. What a lucky baby." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"> I suppose he'd be "luckier" if he went to sleep with an infant sippy cup full of fruit-flavored HFCS every night. In a crib in his own room.<br><br>
OK, I should stop.
 

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Hi, Katie! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> The cereal/iron thing is, well, [email protected] Although bm is not very high in iron, the iron in it is very easily absorbed. The synthetic iron in cereal is not only poorly absorbed, but actually interferes with the absorption of the naturally-occuring iron in your bm. And it can cause constipation as well.<br><br>
Here's LaLecheLeague on it:<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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The commercial cereals are almost always refined, too, so it's basically just feeding your baby white flour + synthetic vitamins.<br><br>
ETA: What a lucky baby? What does that mean? Is she implying that your some sort of saintly martyr of a mother b/c you feed your baby--gasp!--actual food instead of stuff in a jar? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Today was<br><br><b>We recommend a fluoride supplement as well, since the tap water around here doesn't meet nutritional requirements.</b> Um, fluoride drops? By prescription? Every day?<br></div>
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NUTRITIONAL REQUIREMENT for fluoride?????? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">What a lucky baby? What does that mean? Is she implying that your some sort of saintly martyr of a mother b/c you feed your baby--gasp!--actual food instead of stuff in a jar?</td>
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It felt really sarcastic, actually. It had this weird eyerolling undercurrent ... like, what do you, CARE about what he eats? It's just food! Who ever heard of giving a baby whole, unprocessed fruit and veg that don't come from a jar? The tone of voice resembled my mother's when I tell her I plan to bf for more than a year ... she's like, "That's a nice idea, honey. Wait till he starts biting you!"<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wave.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wave"> yourself!
 

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ugh. so misinformed and you have to wonder whose working for who? The doctor working for NEstle and the pharmaceutical companies or your doctor working for the health of your child?<br>
Good for you for knowing better than to listen to that crap.<br>
If you like her and want to stay if not- good idea to- but I think it would be great either way to print out some info for her on the absurdity and controversy of her advice to you.
 

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We did ds's 6mo wbv today too. Our ped is cool with the no shots so no problem there. Back at 4mo checkup he said to start cereal and I said he wasn't ready and we'd probably start with fruits and veggies. So today he asked if I did cereal or went straight to other stuff. I told him that we skipped cereal and that he's had just bites here and there nothing regularly scheduled yet. He told me that ds could be eating solids 4times a day and then nursing/getting supp 4 more times a day. Yeah, I don't think so.<br><br>
He also gave me a rx for vitamins with flouride. He said that since ds gets some formula, the vitamins weren't super necessary but couldn't hurt. He also said that I could use the nursery water with flouride to mix his formula in. I took the rx but told him that I'd have to do some research and decide what would work better for us.<br><br>
Gotta love some of the advice they give. He's got a 2yo and a 3mo old too. I wonder if he has his wife talked into doing all this too.
 

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so much wrong with that coversation.<br><br>
what i don't understand is if the ADA those flouride loving dentists came out a few months ago reversing their long held position on supplementing infants with fluoride iin nursery h2o, why are drops ok?<br><br>
check this out: <a href="http://fluoridealert.org/health/infant/" target="_blank">http://fluoridealert.org/health/infant/</a><br><br><br>
nak - sorry for any typos i'm typing lefthanded (i'm righthanded)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">pediatricians lack of knowledge of bf is shocking.... but childhood ilness is their bread and butter.</div>
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Really? You think peds are giving out bad BFing advice because of the money they make from treating sick children?
 

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Let it go in one ear and out the other. Maybe search for a better ped, too. They are supposed to work for you.
 

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ugh. Such awful advice ~ good for you for ignoring it. Why on earth would a healthy bf 6 month old need supplements?<br><br>
I have 2 babies and neither have gotten iron supps or flouride (we avoid that stuff like the plague, actually). And guess what - both are EXTREMELY healthy.<br><br>
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yeah that!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It felt really sarcastic, actually. It had this weird eyerolling undercurrent ... like, what do you, CARE about what he eats? It's just food! Who ever heard of giving a baby whole, unprocessed fruit and veg that don't come from a jar? The tone of voice resembled my mother's when I tell her I plan to bf for more than a year ... she's like, "That's a nice idea, honey. Wait till he starts biting you!"<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wave.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wave"> yourself!</div>
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Well, if you wanna go to a ped in the District...mine insisted that we give dd no processed foods (and delay grains)...and then didn't bat an eyelash when we said that she still had no interest in solids at 7.5 months (and still doesn't at 9, actually <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ).
 

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Oh, come on. I am all for being a critical thinker and not accepting a doctor's advice blindly, but this is truly a bit much. Do you really mean to imply that doctors give malicious advice to make money??<br><br>
I agree with the advice to look for a different doctor, although not because I think what she suggested was so shockingly wrong. If you're feeling like she speaks to you sarcastically and not with respect, then that's a reason to start looking.
 

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Just have to add in here... my sister got supplemental flouride drops from the school she attended (we went to different schools, and no, they didn't ask my mother's consent) and they rotted her teeth right out of her head. Poor thing had all silver teeth until she lost her baby teeth... half her life she was called "metal mouth".
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh, come on. I am all for being a critical thinker and not accepting a doctor's advice blindly, but this is truly a bit much. Do you really mean to imply that doctors give malicious advice to make money??</div>
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Agreed. I think that idea is absolutely absurd.<br><br>
Doctors are ignorant of bf for the same reason adult doctors are ignorant of nutrition: because they are taught to look at diseases and treat symptoms instead of basic wellness, because they are overworked, because they don't stay current on the latest research, because they are trained to look at "objective" measurements like height/weight instead of the whole person, etc., etc.<br><br>
There are lots of reasons to criticise the medical profession as a whole and how doctors are trained, but considering the fact that pediatrics is one of the least lucrative medical specialities I assume most peds go into the profession because they like children.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">He also gave me a rx for vitamins with flouride. He said that since ds gets some formula, the vitamins weren't super necessary but couldn't hurt. He also said that I could use the nursery water with flouride to mix his formula in. I took the rx but told him that I'd have to do some research and decide what would work better for us.</td>
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Didn't the AAP just come out with a recommendation that parents not use fluoridated tap water to mix formula bc it's bad for babies under 1? So why the heck are they still prescribing fluoride and advising buying fluoride water if even the AAP thinks it's bad? Ingesting fluoride is not good for us.
 
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