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Since so many of us are enrolled in the ALACE trainings, and I thought it would be nice to have a thread where we could support eachother, and ask questions, etc.<br><br>
We can discuss books, modules, assignments, etc.<br><br>
Anyone is welcome to join!
 

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I'll get things started.<br><br>
I'm enrolled in the ALACE Childbirth Educator program. I'm just starting, and have finished several books. I just finished <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Birth as an American Rite of Passage</span>. I've also read the breastfeeding books, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Active Birth</span>, and Sheila K's book.<br><br>
I'm going to start Module 1 assignments this week.<br><br>
I'm really looking forward to learning more about childbirth and pregnancy, to help the mothers in my pre-natal class. I'll just see where this road takes me.....
 

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what a great idea carole!<br><br>
what did you think of Birth as an American Rite of Passage?<br><br>
It took me weeks to finish this book I kept getting so riled up<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I love the idea of chatting here too, in a general way.
 

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I loved this book. Being an anthropology lover, this book totally appealed to me. I thought of birth in such a different way after reading it...it is a must read for any childbirth professional.<br><br>
Rachelle<br>
-on Module 3
 

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You know, I have a love-hate thing with Rite of Passage. At some points I thought it was so negative, 1/2 empty-thinking, but then at other times I thought it was right on. I mean I saw my births described in there, and could appreciate how we all analyize our births so they make sense. I thought I was the only one that did that, but it's comforting to know that it's a process... I think the book actually changed my life and my thinking on birth, so for that reason I'd have to give it a <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> . But, it wasn't an easy read, and I had to really focus on it. Other books I can read in a day or two, but this one took a week or so.<br><br>
It made so much sense in parts; how your experience of birth depends on expectations, and your locus of control. I have a Masters in Psychology, so I guess it really made sense to me in a lot or respects.<br><br>
On the other hand, it was kind of a depressing book. Boy, does the world need people like US!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> Yeah for Mothering.com forum!!!<br><br>
Let's all make a vow right now, let's us try and <b>really make a difference</b>....<br><br>
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I have a degree in Psych as well, and I felt much the same way. It was so interesting that I talked about it to a few key friends for a few WEEKS...I'd call and read some passages to them in a "yes, that makes total and depressing sense" huff. But I also agree that, where almost every other book on the list was read in a day or two, this one was TOTALLY like reading a very deeply academic textbook. THis is okay (actually enjoyable), but as I'm ten years out of college, it took getting into the swing of it again, know what I mean? It also took me a few weeks of reading, putting down, digesting, picking it up again to read...
 

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I read that one in college, soon after discovering "Spiritual Midwifery". IT was not quite the same feel<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> but I did like it. Another amazing tome aboutr the history of birth and how it came to be as it is in our country is "Lying in, a History of Childbirth in America". This is one of the first reads for my CB training program. I was slow to pick it up but once I did I tore through it, such good stuff. The historical/anthro piece is so interesting.<br><br>
Sorry not in ALACE but finishing up my CBE training in May and I just love books in general... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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i loved lyin in i read that years (and babies<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ) ago.<br><br>
maybe we should (cbes-all of them) share book discussions. i know every book isnt required, but really great to hear of new ones i havent found.<br><br>
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right now im reading Empowering Women, Teaching Natural Birth.<br><br>
i wish id read it earlier. i cant recall whether its required, but if you can get your hands on it now, i reccomend reading it early. i imagine it would help keeping your end goals in perspective durring your studies. i had a serious problem with distraction durring my studies. i'd read something interesting or something i didn't agree with 100% and it would take me a week or even month of doing other researh to satisfy me so i ould get back to the mod.<br><br>
excuse my typos. nak--fat baby girl is 2 mos today<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Wish I found this a month ago, would have saved myself $40, including shipping!<br><br>
passing this on to those who haven't yet picked up a copy of Guide to Effective Care in Pregancy and Childbirth.<br><br>
it's available here, courtesy of the authors for FREE: as far as I recall it's required.<br><br><a href="http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10218" target="_blank">http://www.childbirthconnection.org/...e.asp?ck=10218</a><br><br>
feeling like a dummie<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
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Carrie- Thanks for that link! Yes, it's a required book! I'll read it on-line, then buy it when I can afford the $40 (if I like what I read).
 

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carole--thanks for tarting the thread, and sending me over!<br><br>
carrie--thanks for the link. i am excited about my reading list, but ouch my wallet can't take it.<br><br>
i am in the process of making calls to find out about CB classes at area hospitals. feeling a bit nervous about whether i will be able to attract clients...but also overwhelmed by what a need i perceive for independent classes in my area. i have to trust that if i put myself out there, whoever needs me will come.<br><br>
meanwhile, dd is napping...off to read <span style="text-decoration:underline;">birth as an american rite of passage</span>. i'm glad to have mdc mamas to journey with!
 

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I am on the ALACE yahoo study group also, but I love MDC, so count me in! So glad to meet you all here! I am currently going through the LA and the CBE program-LOVE IT!!<br><br>
Did not love Rite of Passage-to dry for me. I love and support her theory, but that book could have been a heck of a lot shorter and to the point! I got more out of the articles summing her book in our manual than I did reading the whole book! JMO-I know that I am the minority.<br><br>
Otherwise, I loved the VBAC Companion- module 2-great book.<br><br>
Glad to be in such great company!!!
 

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here's a quickie site from the Rite Of Passage book for anyone still working on that (or confused about it). Sums it up in 10 minutes or less.<br><br><a href="http://www.birthpsychology.com/messages/intro.html" target="_blank">http://www.birthpsychology.com/messages/intro.html</a><br><br>
don't know if ms. davis-flyod put that up or someone else did but it'll give you the gist of it.<br><br><br>
I thought her theory was interesting, but did not embrace it 100%. She's really dry and pretty repetitive. Someone had to write it though<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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its pretty expensive to buy everything at once. I was able to borrow (from mw, library) everything but the first book while I was doing the mods.<br><br>
Then when we got our tax returns this year I bought most everything off ebay. I few things I couldn't find anywhere but ALACE, and you do get a small discount there.
 

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So far, I think I have gotten every book off of Amazon. I've only been able to get a couple of them used, but amazon has had every one I've looked for off of both lists, so far, no problem. Maybe I've just been lucky!
 

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DD's "pressing buttons" right now, but what a great thread! I look forward to returning.<br><br>
I'm back and DD is currently occupied. This thread is great for me. Thanks for the link to the book - useful, although I prefer books to online. Maybe I'll print it. I'm currently in the middle of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Birth as an American Rite of Passage</span>. I'm enjoying it. I tried reading it three years ago when I was reading tons before getting pregnant, but I just couldn't get into it. I didn't realize how great it would be once I got going. I wish I'd been able to get into it the first time around because it's really meaning a lot to me. There are a bunch of interesting things that I can't wait to go back and read again.<br><br>
For me, the reading is the easiest part of the training. DD naps in my arms and reading is a great activity for that time, well, when I'm not napping at least <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. The questions, especially the ones that require real thought and formulating and organization of my thoughts are proving tougher for me. Also, the "activities" like getting in touch with other groups and teachers and taking hospital tours are tougher for me, but I suppose they're also good preparation for teaching.<br><br>
I'm psyched about everything that I have to learn for the certification, but the finding students and the people aspects of the job sort of intimidate me a little bit. I look forward to the act of teaching, but the other pieces not so much, at least not yet. Also, DH has me totally freaked about being sued.<br><br>
Speaking of DH, are your partners supportive of your decision to become a CBE? Did you leave another job or career when your baby was born? Are you becoming a CBE to earn $'s or because the topic is so interesting or a little bit of both or something else?<br>
* My DH is not particularly supportive right now. He's not negative, but he sure isn't positive about it either.<br>
* I left a job, which I no longer enjoyed, as a software engineer after DD was born. I briefly returned to it, but just couldn't handle it with her not sleeping through the night.<br>
* I'm doing CBE training primarily because I'm so interested in it. I also figure maybe I can earn a few $'s and maybe DH won't be so upset about my missing salary.
 

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I was sort of surprised at the amount of work involved in each Module. I'm really impressed with this program. I finished Module 1 this weekend, and am feeling really good about the program. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
Jraohc- My husband is slightly positive, but sort of neutral. He's happy I'm doing something I love. It usually takes him a little while to get on board. I'm mostly taking this course to supplement my knowledge for teaching pre-natal yoga, but I also hope to be able to teach yoga/pregnancy info and yoga/birth classes and workshops. I think they mesh so well.
 

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What did you guys think about the book <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Guide to Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth</span>? I thought it was sort of repetitive. And I thought they'd get into some discussions, and then each chapter concluded with "not enough information available." I didn't find the book to be too helpful.
 

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I have to agree with you on that one<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> But a few great things about the book are 1. Sheila Kitzinger. If you clients will read this book, though repetitive, though very basic, though very unbiased then maybe next you can offer the Rediscovering Birth, or any one of a hundred of her great articles.<br><br>
2. it's REALLY non-threatening for those who are "on the fence" about natural birth, like those "we' ll see how labor goes" types.<br><br>
3. its great reference for all the really basic questions that we wouldn't even think need answers they are so ingrained in us<br><br>
4. it's medical without being biased to the normal way of doing things (ie natural)<br><br>
I really havn't found anythign else out there that compares. I mean they present homebirth on equal medical terms with managed labors and give the pros and cons of each *without* making value judgments about either. This truely gives parents an information without them having to pin down which "side" they want to take.<br><br>
I just sent a copy to my newly pregnant little sister. I knew she wouldn't even get through the introduction to say, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Ina May's guide to childbirth</span> but I suspect she'll give this one more then a glance. and yes it IS my secret hope that she'll more then linger in the homebirth section<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br><br>
I think ALACE expects this to be sort of a textbook for couples. does anyone use it as that? so far, I haven't but might for the next group.
 
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