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Here is the gif for today's UK Sunday Express.<br><br><a href="http://www.express.co.uk/pixfeed/express.gif" target="_blank">http://www.express.co.uk/pixfeed/express.gif</a><br><br>
Interesting headline, but I can't locate the text anywhere.<br><br>
I guess it will come up sometime...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Maybe it's a photo of an older issue?</div>
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I think so . . . this article is from 2004 and it relates to the 5-in-1 in the UK: <a href="http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5029974.html" target="_blank">http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5029974.html</a>
 

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No, its a new one. There is no URL, but someone sent me the text:<br><br>
SUNDAY EXPRESS MAY 14 2006<br><br>
FRONT PAGE STORY<br><br>
ALERT OVER NEW 5-IN-1 BABY JABS<br><br>
EXCLUSIVE By Lucy Johnston<br><br>
HEALTH EDITOR<br><br>
Brain damage fears after trial results show that two-thirds of patients<br>
experience bad reaction<br><br>
Babys given the new five-in-one jab face a risk of convulsions, brain<br>
damage or even death.<br><br>
Results of medical trials by the firm which makes the vaccine have revealed<br>
that the "superdose" vaccination, which was introduced 18 months ago, can<br>
have serious side-effects.<br><br>
The five-in-one is designed to protect children against diphtheria,<br>
tetanus, whooping cough, Hib influenza and polio in a single shot.<br><br>
Evidence from the vaccine's manufacturers, Sanofi Pasteur, shows that in<br>
clinical trials 64 per cent of 451 babies given the Pediacel jab<br>
experienced bad reactions. Ten per cent of these were "moderate to severe".<br><br>
These included convulsions, loss of consciousness and high-pitched or<br>
persistent inconsolable crying.<br><br>
Other studies showed that components of the vaccine can cause breathing<br>
difficulties, blue discolouration of the skin due to lack of oxygen,<br>
swelling of the brain, low blood pressure and extreme allergic shock.<br><br>
The document prepared for the Medicines Healthcare Regulatory Authority and<br>
publicised by What Doctors Don't Tell You, a monthly newsletter that<br>
questions conventional medicine, has angered doctors and MPs. Professor<br>
Steve Webb, Liberal Democrat health spokesman, criticised the Government<br>
saying: "I am very concerned that these apparently wide spread side-effects<br>
have not been disclosed. The Government should investigate these concerns<br>
urgently".<br><br>
Dr Richard Halvorsen, a London GP who specialises in innoculations said:<br>
"I'm concerned that this five-in-one is overloading a child's immune system.<br><br>
"The risks of vaccinations have been played down by the Government and<br>
parents have been fobbed off with bland reassurances".<br><br>
And Dr Peter Mansfield, who won a case against the doctor's governing body,<br>
the General Medical Council, for refusing to give the combined<br>
controversial measles, mumps and rubella to infants, said: "This is<br>
scandalous. We're vaccinating babies when their immune systems are not ready".<br><br>
Jackie Fletcher from the vaccine damage support group JABS, is also<br>
concerned. She said: "The Department of Health is failing to acknowledge<br>
the dangers of the vaccines and the damage they can cause. It claims the<br>
five-in-one is perfectly safe, but clearly it is not.<br><br>
"The only person taking a risk here is the baby and parents are not being<br>
given correct information about it".<br><br>
Health officials claim it is safer than the four-in-one-jab it replaced<br>
which contained the controversial preservative mercury, which has been<br>
linked with autism. The new jab is also deemed to be safer because it<br>
contains inactivated polio to remove the risk that children could contract<br>
polio paralysis from the old oral vaccine that contained a live sample of<br>
the virus.<br><br>
However, the revelations will ignite debate about the over-use of<br>
innoculations and could hinder Government plans to bring in an even more<br>
intensive vaccination programme that will see children receiving 25<br>
vaccines in 12 injections by the time they are two.<br><br>
The new proposed schedule contains the controversial MMR jab, the<br>
five-in-one jab, a new pneumococcal vaccine and the meningitis C vaccine.<br><br>
When the five-in-one was launched the Government vaccine chief urged<br>
parents: " Please do not delay having your child vaccinated. Our vaccines<br>
are extremely safe."<br><br>
Nicholas Kitchin, medical director of Sanofi Pasteur, insisted: "There are<br>
fewer side-effects with the five-in-one than were reported with the older<br>
four-in-one vaccine.<br><br>
"All drugs and vaccines have potential side-effects, which parents should<br>
be aware of and these are listed in the information leaflet included with<br>
every dose of the vaccine. Severe reactions are rare and the benefits of<br>
vaccination far outweigh the risks."<br><br>
A spokeswoman for the Department of Health added: "The Joint Committee on<br>
Vaccination and Immunisation thoroughly assesses the evidence on the safety<br>
and efficacy of all new vaccines before they are added to the childhood<br>
immunisation programme. Pediacel has an excellent record.<br><br>
"Every parent is informed about the potential side effects of every vaccine<br>
in a guide which is given to parents by health visitors."<br><br><br>
SUNDAY EXPRESS MAY 14 2006<br><br>
OPINION<br><br>
Health chiefs must act now on five-in-one vaccine fears<br><br>
The Government must move fast to prove that its new super-drug is<br>
completely safe for British babies. The five-in-one vaccination, introduced<br>
18 months ago, was claimed to be a major breakthrough in the fight against<br>
childhood killer diseases. The drug, which is intended to provide<br>
protection against polio, diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus and<br>
meningitis, is given to babies as young as two months and was claimed to be<br>
risk-free.<br><br>
But evidence collected by the drug's manufacturer tells a different story.<br><br>
The Sunday Express has revealed that the maker's clinical trials showed<br>
that nearly two out of three infants given an injection of its super jab<br>
experienced significant side effects.<br><br>
The trials, when linked with other data, revealed a danger that children<br>
could suffer convulsions and even run the risk of brain damage.<br><br>
This is devastating news for parents. Some health campaigners warn that the<br>
combination of five powerful vaccines adminstered in this way overwhelms a<br>
baby's immune system.<br><br>
It is vital that the Department of Health intervenes now to restore public<br>
confidence. Every parent knows that no threat to a baby's health is ever<br>
tolerable.
 

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Like babies are little experiments! Two-thirds had a bad reaction, and 10% "moderate to severe" ?? And these just the immediate, impossible-to-ignore aftermath? Those are horrible odds. More reason for Offit and his '10,000 simultaneous antigens are safe' garbage to shove it.
 

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<span style="font-size:x-large;">64%!!!!!!</span><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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Why? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I just don't understand why we do this to our children. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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It makes me absolutely sick to read that ... and to think that there are no ethical standards or something to protect these poor, innocent children from (now a life-time of) suffering. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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This vax will be licensed in the United States very soon under the brand name Pentacel: <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=373840&highlight=pentacel" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=pentacel</a>
 

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We use Pentacel here, and it's the only vax given to infants. No other options are given. It's dtp+polio+hib, and they now give prevnar at the same time.
 

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Who are these crazy parents that allow their infants to participate in these studies?! Do they get paid a lot or something?
 

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question is, which country is next to use this wonderfully safe vaccine, that is better than the one that went before?
 

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In controlled clinical studies performed with Pediacel®, 71% of 451 infants immunised at 2, 4 and 6 months experienced a reaction (pain, erythema or oedema) at the injection site within the first 24 hours after vaccination. Also 64% of infants experienced a systemic reaction, which was of moderate to severe intensity in 16%.</td>
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Woah!
 

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Holy Crap!<br><br>
Hey, when they do clinical studies, don't they keep children that have ANY contraindication such as a cold, autoimmune disorder like diabetes, or prior reaction from being involved in the study? Yet pediatricians routinly give vaccnations to these children. So, I'd say that 64% isn't nearly as high as "real world" vaccination reactions to this vaccine.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">question is, which country is next to use this wonderfully safe vaccine, that is better than the one that went before?</div>
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The US?
 

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New Zealand? Australia? Canada?<br><br>
Deborah
 

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Bumping this out of the abyss to say OMGosh!<br><br>
So Pentacel is the same as Pediacel?<br><br>
Pentacel is the vax that my dd had a bad reaction to. I wish I'd known this before giving one of the few shots we'd initially selected. We've since quit vaxing, but yikes!<br><br>
It's given at the same time as prevnar and the meningococcal vax here in Canada. The schedule is 2, 4 and 6 months and I'm not sure after that... we were using a delayed schedule we'd designed ourselves anyways & she only got the Pentacel by itself when she had the severe reaction... That's just infuriating to me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Who are these crazy parents that allow their infants to participate in these studies?! Do they get paid a lot or something?</div>
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its just like the crazy pregnant women offering up themselves and their unborn child for trials.
 

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This is the same as Pentavac in France.<br><br>
DTaP is one of the required vaccines in France. LAst year there was a "shortage" of DTap, it was not available in pharmacies, but the Pentavac conveniently was. Doctor's were prescribing it even though Hib and polio vaccines were not mandatory. (In France, Doctors precribe the vaccine, the parent must go buy it at the pharmacy and then take it to be administered. At least I assume that is how it works, since we never actually did the Pentavac that our doctor prescribed while we were in France).<br><br>
ETA - It is actually PENTACOQ that is made by SAnofi Pasteur. Pentavac is made by Aventis Pasteur.
 
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