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We're taking a trip in a month to visit my parents in Louisiana. I made this trip by plane in October, when ds was a little more than 2 months old, and I just had him in my sling and on my lap for the 2-hour flight. Well, he'll be 9 months this time around. I didn't reserve a seat for him, for a carseat, because I recalled the last time being so easy, and I figured I could just fly with him on my lap again. I'll have DH with me, so the squirming and curiosity will at least have two watchdogs. But am I making a big mistake in not getting him his own seat? I have time to correct the oversight, if it is one. Any thoughts?
 

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It is safer for babe to be in a carseat as opposed to your lap. We're flying when Ilana is 10 mos old and she has her own seat.
 

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We just took a 2 hour flight (Each way) with our 10 month old. She nursed to sleep right after take off and slept 90% of the flight. I kept her in the sling the whole time.<br><br>
When she was awake I just loosened the sling and she was able to stand up/sit up/squirm/play while still being kept close.<br><br>
I guess depending on your babe's temperment your milage may vary.
 

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I flew with my son at that age w/o a car seat and didn't wish once I'd had it. With dh there especially, you can take shifts, etc.<br><br>
I have a new little one on the way and doubt I'll use a carseat on the plane before I have to at 2 yrs. Of course car seats must be safer, but the risk of danger is slight, IMO, and I am more than willing to take it, as are most of the moms I know IRL.
 

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I know there are some strong feelings about this out there, but IMO the chances of being injured on an airplane are SO low that making your dc comfortable on the plane becomes a priority over making sure they are strapped into a car seat. If your dc enjoys being in their car seat, then by all means, but if they would be happier in a lap or a wrap/sling, I don't see that as risky or irresponsible parenting in any way.<br><br>
The statistics are something like a 1 in 11 million chance of being killed in a plane accident, and I'm sure the injury stats are higher, but how much higher can they really be? I would go out on a limb and say that a child is much more likely to be injured while being pushed in a stroller or playing on a playground, and those are regular activities for most of us... it just makes no sense to me to be paranoid about the airplane thing when there are much greater daily dangers that we take much more lightly. This is a comfort issue IMO, not a safety one.
 

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My only reasoning for putting my kids in car seats on the plane was to keep them contained <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> So it totally depends on how your kid is about the car seat. I admit that I do not understand the safety arguments. I mean, if the plane crashes, the seat isn't going to make any difference. I have flown a handful of times and have never had rough turbulence, so I admit that I am not sure how that would be with an unrestrained kid.
 

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A car seat on a plane cracks me up, I had never heard of putting a baby in a car seat on a plane. This is a new concept for me. Me and my almost 11 mo old son fly several times a month. I have never put him in a car seat or even thought of it. My son hates his car seat so he would just scream and cry till I held him anyway.<br>
Personally I dont think that a car seat would make much of a difference on a plane because,<br>
plane seats and car seats are different, and I dont think that a baby seat would be as effective in a plane as in a car. Also most plane injuries occur going to or in the bathrooms. A baby seat wont help in any way there. Not to mention flying is the safest way to travel, your more likely to be struck by lighting then be in a plane accident. (and) If the plane was to crash, a baby seat isnt going to be much more help, because there are usually no surviors of plane crashes.<br><br>
I agree with KLG47 unless your using the baby seat to restrain your kids there really is no extra safety in putting a baby in a baby seat. Even in major turbulance the baby is just as safe in your arms as the seat, unless you would freak out if there is turbulance.<br><br><a href="http://www.rockyou.com/show_my_gallery.php?instanceid=65337457" target="_blank">http://www.rockyou.com/show_my_galle...nceid=65337457</a>
 

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We'll be taking a 13 hour plane ride followed by a 2 hour ride when the coming baby is 4 months old.<br><br>
Baby will have a seat on the 13 hour ride because hubby and I want the ability to eat our meals, sleep ourselves etc. We also want the additional room to move and flex w/o bumping into a stranger.<br><br>
For the two hour ride baby will be in my lap.<br><br>
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I have flown on a non-stop flight from Salt Lake City to New York City. I am not sure how many hours the flight was, but my son was 8 mo old and perfectly happy sitting in the plane seat, or in our laps. I have never needed or wished that I had the car seat.<br>
Everytime I get on a plane people seem to move away from me or ask to be reassined because they dont want to be sitting next to a baby. So I usually end up with most, to the whole row to myself. Maybe its because my son is so used to flying, but I can sit him in the seat next to me pull the tray table down put his toys on it and he will just chill. Or when he is on my lap he will play peek-a-boo with the people in front or behind me. I would rather not have to deal with getting a bulky car seat on and off the plane with my bag and the baby bag too.<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">A car seat on a plane cracks me up ... there really is no extra safety in putting a baby in a baby seat. Even in major turbulance the baby is just as safe in your arms as the seat...</div>
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I respect your right to this opinion, but the experts in the field disagree.<br><br>
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) states:<br><br>
"Did you know the safest place for your little one during turbulence or an emergency is in an approved child restraint system (CRS) or device, not on your lap?...The FAA strongly urges parents and guardians to secure children in an appropriate restraint based on weight and size. Keeping a child in a CRS or device during the flight is the smart and right thing to do."<br><a href="http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_children/crs/" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_children/crs/</a><br><br>
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) states:<br><br>
"Preventable injuries and deaths have occurred in children younger than 2 years who were unrestrained in aircraft during survivable crashes and conditions of turbulence. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends a mandatory federal requirement for restraint use for children on aircraft. The Academy further recommends that parents ensure that a seat is available for all children during aircraft transport and follow current recommendations for restraint use for all children."<br><a href="http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics%3B108/5/1218" target="_blank">http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...s%3b108/5/1218</a><br><br>
And the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) states:<br><br>
"The Safety Board is concerned that the FAA has not adequately addressed the issue of "infant" occupant protection. Investigations have repeatedly shown problems with the safety and survivability of unrestrained infants and small children who have been involved in survivable crashes or incidents in which turbulence was encountered."<br><a href="http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/1990/a90_78_79.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/1990/a90_78_79.pdf</a><br><br>
I'm not coming down hard on parents who choose to hold their infants on planes; I agree that flying is very safe, seats can be prohibitively expensive and the risk to a baby is quite small. But to say that an infant is no safer in a car seat than in arms contradicts a lot of published expert opinion.<br><br>
We do choose to travel with my daughter restrained in her own seat.
 

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The danger, IMO, of having a "lap baby" on a flight is not in the event of a crash -- it's in the event of relatively minor turbulence, in which you could lose your grip on your baby and have him/her fly out of your arms.<br><br>
We'll be flying when btb is about 2 months old, and he will have a seat.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm not coming down hard on parents who choose to hold their infants on planes; I agree that flying is very safe, seats can be prohibitively expensive and the risk to a baby is quite small. But to say that an infant is no safer in a car seat than in arms contradicts a lot of published expert opinion.</div>
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I would not argue that in the event of extreme turbulence or plane crash it is safer to have your child restrained (by wrap/sling or car seat). But to me, that is like saying that all humans would be safer if we wore bullet proof vests at all times. Of course, but given the risk vs the inconvenience of doing that, is it really worth it for every one in every situation? In life, you weigh risk vs benefit, consider all circumstances, and use logic in making choices...if your child is a screamer in a car seat, no, it's not worth it IMO. If your child doesn't mind and you are concerned about severe turbulence, or plane crash, maybe it is worth it for you.<br><br>
Thats all. Just trying to make the point that what is right for some isn't always right for all, and it doesn't make anyone a better or more responsible parent because they choose one or the other in this situation.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm not coming down hard on parents who choose to hold their infants on planes; I agree that flying is very safe, seats can be prohibitively expensive and the risk to a baby is quite small. But to say that an infant is no safer in a car seat than in arms contradicts a lot of published expert opinion.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would not argue that in the event of extreme turbulence or plane crash it is safer to have your child restrained...In life, you weigh risk vs benefit, consider all circumstances, and use logic in making choices...and it doesn't make anyone a better or more responsible parent because they choose one or the other in this situation.</div>
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Yes! That is what I am saying, too.<br><br>
(ETA: A wrap/sling as a restraint is considered unsafe by American authorities and actually disallowed on US domestic flights during taxi, takeoff and landing, though.)
 

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(ETA: A wrap/sling as a restraint is considered unsafe by American authorities and actually disallowed on US domestic flights during taxi, takeoff and landing, though.)</div>
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Hmmm, Interesting... I can see a number of reasons why this is unsafe in, say, a car, but on a plane (If the mother herself is belted in)? I wonder what their thinking is on this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">
 

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My DS at 1 had the "elite" status for flying so and continues to have this status. So we've flown a lot with him.<br><br>
Up until 6 months we did not use a restraint. This included 4 hour flights without DH traveling with me.<br>
A side note: If you are holding your child, IMO, it is better to book a middle or window seat. DS on several occasions did or almost got hit by passengers walking around, a few close calls with the cart as well. If you call for your reservation let them know you will be traveling with a lap child - in doing this 2 times I ended up not having anyone next to me on one side.<br><br>
Once DS got to be a bit more wiggly, if I was traveling alone we purchased the seat, if the flight was over 2 1/2 hours more for my sanity. We tried a 4 hour flight with DH along at 9 months and DH's said after that trip "You are welcome to get DS a seat anytime you want"<br><br>
I have to admit our decision is not really for safety as much as it is for convenience and making a happy traveling DS. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> So I'd say decide how long the flight is and if you and DH can handle it with or without a seat. For me I often go see my DH's folks so getting off the plane already fried from the plane ride makes it even more stressful. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Once he was 18 months, we stopped using the car seat altogether. DS could reach the seat in front of him with is feet and it was hard to keep telling him not to hit the seat in front of him. Without the car seat he can't hit the other seat. Once in the air, we'd pile up our carry on and diaper bag so he could rest his feet on something.<br><br>
Last thing, make sure your car seat has a tag that says FAA approved on it and make sure you know where it is located. We had to check our car seat once because we couldn't find the tag. Later found it under the part the base covered up - oops.<br><br>
- subbing
 

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The statistics don't matter when it's your child. There are so few things in this world we can control when it comes to our own safety, as well as our child's, I can't imagine <i>not</i> putting a child in a carseat on a plane.<br><br>
Thank you easy_goer for posting that info.
 

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I've never used a car seat on a flight and we've flown cross country many time since DS was born and never had a problem (DS much prefers not being in his carseat, and I much prefer the convenience of checking the carseat (we have a secondary one that we use for traveling so his Britax won't be damaged)). That being said, on our last flight we had a big fright when with no warning we hit a huge patch of turbulence and everyone was bounced extremely hard in our seats a few times. DS was buckled in with a regular seatbelt in his seat (since I hadn't brought the carseat on b/c I was traveling alone and just couldn't deal with it), and I was holding on to him but was very concerned that he would hit his head on the wall next to him or even fly out over or under the lap belt. The woman across the aisle from me was holding her baby in arms (as I often did when DS was younger) and looked terrified too-- I'm sure that baby almost became a projectile due to the force of the turbulence. It was all over in a few seconds but both I and that other woman were crying afterwards. It was definitely my scariest moment on a plane (really felt like the plane was out of control) and it has made me rethink our stance on flying without a carseat. Unfortunately, though, cost remains a big issue for us and next time we fly there will be 4 of us and there is no way we could afford 4 seats cross-country. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Still deciding what we'll do on our next flight...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The statistics don't matter when it's your child. There are so few things in this world we can control when it comes to our own safety, as well as our child's, I can't imagine <i>not</i> putting a child in a carseat on a plane.</div>
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I agree with this in theory, but having a dc who *hates* the carseat, I can't imagine trying to fly with her strapped down. I can barely leave my house for longer than a fifteen-minute drive, let alone a five-hour plane ride.<br>
For me it's a matter of being able to travel or not.
 

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I'm am traveling home in june and i only purchased 2 seats for myself and my ds1. My then 4 month old will be in my lap, probably sleeping in our ergo. As he'll be nursing during takeoff and landing to relieve to pressure in his ears due to the altitude changes, i didn't feel it necessary to pay for a 3rd seat that wouldn't get used.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm am traveling home in june and i only purchased 2 seats for myself and my ds1. My then 4 month old will be in my lap, probably sleeping in our ergo. As he'll be nursing during takeoff and landing to relieve to pressure in his ears due to the altitude changes, i didn't feel it necessary to pay for a 3rd seat that wouldn't get used.</div>
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I was told on more than one flight that my DS was not allowed to be in the ergo during the flight (though I did wear him in a more inconspicuous sling several times and no one noticed). You might want to look into airline regulations so you know ahead of time in case they give you a hard time...
 
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