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Without going into too much detail, basically, I have had issues since day one. Recently, the pain became too much for me, so I decided to pump/feed for a few days and do salt water soaks to let my nipples heal (I had a hole on the face of my right nipple). I pumped and soaked all evening Friday, and all day Saturday and Sunday. I nursed a couple of times Saturday for convenience and there was no pain. Last night and this morning I gave him bottles of bm. I have only nursed him twice on each side today, and this last time on the right hurt SO bad again. The pain is back.<br>
Do I need to give it more time to heal, or is this as good as it gets for us?<br>
I don't know if I have it in me to be an ep'er and I just can't keep going through this pain. I am so upset.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> Sounds like you have an uncorrected latch issue if you've begun to heal and then nursing you lo has caused new injury. If it’s not fixed the damage and pain probably won’t get any better. DD had a bad latch that caused painful blisters. I didn’t start having any pain or noticeable damage until day 3 and finally got help on day 4 when I couldn’t figure out what I was missing. Turns out it was one tiny latch problem that was a snap to fix once the lc showed me how to do it. It took about another week for them to heal completely, the first 3-4 days of healing being the worst and I ended up just nursing through the pain. I would urge you to meeting with a lc and work on getting it corrected.
 

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Nursing dd was EXCRUCIATING for the first 6 weeks. She turned my nipples into hamburger.<br><br>
That said, I would avoid bottles like the plauge. The last thing you want to do is make it take LONGER to get things right.<br><br>
Are you working with an LC? If not, I'd find a good IBCLC asap.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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Same problem here. Mine bleed they were so bad. Never really could figure out a problem with the latch though unless it was that her ear shoulder and hip weren't always lined up, so I started doing that. I talked with an LC and she told me to switch up my positions each time i nursed going from the football, cradle and side lying so that it wasn't always rubbing on the same spot. That helped. She also told me about these gel pads. They stick to you kind of and keep things moist for healing, but the best part is that it keeps the nips from rubbing on clothing. They were fabulous!!! I think Ameda makes some, I used ones I got at the store called soothies. After I started using them I healed right up. I think the main problem was that my babe was a very vigerous sucker. I just had to toughen up. My cousin's baby had a high palate and that caused her to have terribly sore nipples she never could nurse him.
 

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I have been working with an IBCLC. Everyone has said his latch looks fine. I <b>have</b> to use bottles right now, I just can't take the pain anymore (it has hurt since day 3, and he is almost 10 weeks old). He seems to go from breast to bottle ok. Can it just be that the nipple hasn't completely healed from the hole that was/is in it, and that's why it still hurt?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Same problem here. Mine bleed they were so bad. Never really could figure out a problem with the latch though unless it was that her ear shoulder and hip weren't always lined up, so I started doing that. I talked with an LC and she told me to switch up my positions each time i nursed going from the football, cradle and side lying so that it wasn't always rubbing on the same spot. That helped. She also told me about these gel pads. They stick to you kind of and keep things moist for healing, but the best part is that it keeps the nips from rubbing on clothing. They were fabulous!!! I think Ameda makes some, I used ones I got at the store called soothies. After I started using them I healed right up. I think the main problem was that my babe was a very vigerous sucker. I just had to toughen up. My cousin's baby had a high palate and that caused her to have terribly sore nipples she never could nurse him.</div>
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The LC keeps mentioning that boys are just vigorous suckers, so it may just be that. I used those gel pads in the beginning, and they were nice, but then we got thrush, and I couldn't keep re-using them. Now i'm paranoid about reusing anything. I use disposable nursing pads only.
 

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Is thrush still an issue?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have been working with an IBCLC. Everyone has said his latch looks fine. I <b>have</b> to use bottles right now, I just can't take the pain anymore (it has hurt since day 3, and he is almost 10 weeks old). He seems to go from breast to bottle ok. Can it just be that the nipple hasn't completely healed from the hole that was/is in it, and that's why it still hurt?</div>
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You don't *have* to use bottles. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> If you feel you can't nurse, there are any number of alternate feeding methods- cup feeding, syringe feeding, finger feeding etc. <a href="http://www.kellymom.com" target="_blank">www.kellymom.com</a> has information and instructions on these and more.<br><br>
I understand. Been there done that.<br><br>
good luck!<br><br>
-Angela
 

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I thought about that, but really, I just don't know. The right side hurst really bad, and the left side just hurts a little. I have no pain while pumping, so I don't know what is going on.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I thought about that, but really, I just don't know. The right side hurst really bad, and the left side just hurts a little. I have no pain while pumping, so I don't know what is going on.</div>
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Are you still treating for it?
 

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Other than the weekly diflucan, I stopped. I think I will start again just in case. This sucks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Breast shells really helped me with pain in the first few weeks. Have you tried them? You can get them at BRU.
 

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Keep at it! We're behind you!<br>
We had latch problems that were not resolvable (turned out there was a heap of stuff going on with my son) and so I ended up pumping. 2.25 years later, and I'm still at it. But how I wish I had the option to have a nursing relationship with my son!<br>
So get yourself healed and see what you can do with the help of your LC and perhaps an infectious disease specialist, if you think there might be an infection in play.
 

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We're with you momma!!! I understand about the pain. My first was like a baby barracuda, I thought I would die in those first weeks. I agree that the soothies are a life saver, I don't think that I could have survived without them. DS #3 is only 6 days old right now but we are in the barracuda stage!! I almost cry everytime he latches on. I think that it's true that boys have a stronger suck, he could pull paint off the wall!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> I totally understand about the bottles, DS#2 was like that, BF just did not work for us and I ended up having to pump for him. I hated not having that time with him but it's what we had to do, so that's what we did. I believe that you just do what you can and move on, don't let things stress you out, life has enough of that without us making it worse!!
 

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Thanks everyone.<br>
For now, I am pumping/feeding until I can get to a LLL meeting. I knew it was too good to be true when I was pain free for 1 or 2 nursings. Atleast I do know what that feels like now!
 

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what do you mean when you say you have a hole? i am trying to picture it and not quite sure what you mean.<br>
i am so sorry you have so much pain. i second the looking for an infection. do you see a doctor? have you asked a professional about the pain? the word "hole" seems red flag to me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">what do you mean when you say you have a hole? i am trying to picture it and not quite sure what you mean.<br>
i am so sorry you have so much pain. i second the looking for an infection. do you see a doctor? have you asked a professional about the pain? the word "hole" seems red flag to me.</div>
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Right in the center of my nipple, the "grooves" have been really deep (since i've started bf'ing). I thought it was supposed to look like that. I realized it was a hole when the pain started getting A LOT worse on that side, and it started spreading into a little crack.
 

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My first daughter had a very strong/tight suck and a slightly high palette. It made nursing quite painful, especially in the early days. I had bloody raw nipples for 7 and 8 weeks, left and right side respectively. I tried so many different things, breast shells, shields, creams, switching positions with each feeding... the things that I think helped us the most were just time...as her mouth grew feedings became less painful and cranio sacral massage. I still dont know exactly how it works since it seems so gentle but for us it really seemed to make a difference and allowed my dd do loosen up her grip on my nipples. Nursing dd1 was never very comfortable even after more than 2 and 1/2 years but definitely improved enough for us to continue. In the early days I found it helpful to seek out as much support as I could from as many different sources as possible. My nipples were so badly damaged that I could not wear a shirt without a bra for more than 7 months or stand directly under shower spray for more than a year...but watching my daughter grow and thrive made it worth it to me. My second dd did not have any of the issues dd1 did and i was able to experience pain free nursing (so now I do know it is possible)... Perserverence is the only thing I can really suggest...wishing you all the best
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Right in the center of my nipple, the "grooves" have been really deep (since i've started bf'ing). I thought it was supposed to look like that. I realized it was a hole when the pain started getting A LOT worse on that side, and it started spreading into a little crack.</div>
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did you ask a doc what that could be?<br><br>
it sounds to me like a sore that keeps getting worse, maybe infected?
 
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