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I keep seeing posts stating that Pediarix has a lot less aluminum than its separate parts. Actually, the amount in Pediarix is only 25 mcg less than the sum of its parts. If you add up the separate vaccines that go into Pediarix, you can see that Pediarix only has 25 mcg less than its separate vaccines. Here is the list out of Dr Sears book. The only one that he mentions that actually has a lot LESS than the sum of its parts is Comvax. I hope this clears up some misinformation that has been posted. If anyone sees anything incorrect that I have posted, please feel free to correct it.<br><br>
"ActHib - 0 mcg<br>
PedVaxHib - 225 mcg<br>
Prevnar - 125 mcg<br>
Daptacel (DTaP) - 330 mcg<br>
Tripedia (DTaP) - 170 mcg<br>
Infanrix (DTaP) - 625 mcg<br>
Recombivax (HepB) - 250 mcg<br>
Engerix B (HepB) - 250 mcg<br>
Polio - 0 mcg<br>
MMR - 0 mcg<br>
Chic Pox - 0 mcg<br>
Hep A - 250 mcg<br><br>
Combo Vaccines:<br>
Comvax (hep B as Recombivax and HIB as PedVaxHIB) - 225 mcg. This particular combo vax has LESS aluminum than getting the shots separately.<br><br>
Pentacel (DTaP as Daptacel, HIB as ActHIB and polio) - 1500 mcg. This shot has a lot MORE aluminum that the sum of its parts. You actually get 5 times the amount of aluminum than if you were to get the shots separately.<br><br>
Pediarix (DTaP as Infanrix, hepB as EngerixB and polio) - 850 mcg<br><br>
TriHIBit (DTaP as Tripedia and HIB as ActHIB) - 170 mcg"
 

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It is amazing how much they can vary for the same vaccine. And sad that it is not regulated more to minimize effects on children.
 

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I just read the new Mothering article about Aluminum and immediately wanted to look up the mcg for the one vaccine Milena got before we stopped (tripedia). Of the 3 DTaPs, it appears to have the least amount of aluminum. Which I guess is reassuring?? ARGH.<br><br>
I'm SO glad we stopped vaxxing when we did. I am shocked at how many parents say "oh the thimerosal is out now, so they're fine." which is true until they find the NEXT thing.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;"><b>which is true until they find the NEXT thing.</b></div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am shocked at how many parents say "oh the thimerosal is out now, so they're fine." which is true until they find the NEXT thing.</div>
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That's exactly right. Even Dr Sears, who seems very pro-vaccine in general, stated in his book that he is afraid that aluminum is going to be the "next thimerosal".<br><br>
The amounts listed above are very concerning, seeing that the amount that is safe on any given day for an infant is the following:<br><br>
Page 198 Dr Sears book - "Using the 5 microgram per kilogram per day criterion from the first FDA document as a minumum amount we know a healthy baby can handle, a twelve-pound, two-month-old baby can safely get at least 30 micrograms of aluminum in one day."
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is amazing how much they can vary for the same vaccine. And sad that it is not regulated more to minimize effects on children.</div>
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It is regulated: <a href="http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf" target="_blank">www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">The amounts listed above are very concerning, seeing that the amount that is safe on any given day for an infant is the following:<br><br>
Page 198 Dr Sears book - "Using the 5 microgram per kilogram per day criterion from the first FDA document as a minumum amount we know a healthy baby can handle, a twelve-pound, two-month-old baby can safely get at least 30 micrograms of aluminum in one day."</div>
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I am not questioning whether this appears in Sear's book, I don't have it, but I don't think this figure is correct. Humans ingest much more than this starting in infancy.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is regulated: <a href="http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf" target="_blank">www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf</a><br><br>
I am not questioning whether this appears in Sear's book, I don't have it, but I don't think this figure is correct. Humans ingest much more than this starting in infancy.<br><br>
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That was the meeting where no one could find where the maximum dosage figure came from, right?<br>
Where they were saying the original research was lost?
 

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SM, I know aluminum is regulated. I said it was sad that it was not <b>MORE</b> regulated. Based on the list in the OP, the amount of aluminum seems to vary quite a bit between vaccines for the same VPDs.<br><br>
And thanks for that link. There is a lot of information in there that I will read after the holidays.
 

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If you are referring to the San Juan meeting, then yes, I believe so. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is considerably lower than the maximum isn't it?<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I keep seeing posts stating that Pediarix has a lot less aluminum than its separate parts. Actually, the amount in Pediarix is only 25 mcg less than the sum of its parts. If you add up the separate vaccines that go into Pediarix, you can see that Pediarix only has 25 mcg less than its separate vaccines. Here is the list out of Dr Sears book. The only one that he mentions that actually has a lot LESS than the sum of its parts is Comvax. I hope this clears up some misinformation that has been posted. If anyone sees anything incorrect that I have posted, please feel free to correct it.<br><br>
"ActHib - 0 mcg<br>
PedVaxHib - 225 mcg<br>
Prevnar - 125 mcg<br>
Daptacel (DTaP) - 330 mcg<br>
Tripedia (DTaP) - 170 mcg<br>
Infanrix (DTaP) - 625 mcg<br>
Recombivax (HepB) - 250 mcg<br>
Engerix B (HepB) - 250 mcg<br>
Polio - 0 mcg<br>
MMR - 0 mcg<br>
Chic Pox - 0 mcg<br>
Hep A - 250 mcg<br><br>
Combo Vaccines:<br>
Comvax (hep B as Recombivax and HIB as PedVaxHIB) - 225 mcg. This particular combo vax has LESS aluminum than getting the shots separately.<br><br>
Pentacel (DTaP as Daptacel, HIB as ActHIB and polio) - 1500 mcg. This shot has a lot MORE aluminum that the sum of its parts. You actually get 5 times the amount of aluminum than if you were to get the shots separately.<br><br>
Pediarix (DTaP as Infanrix, hepB as EngerixB and polio) - 850 mcg<br><br>
TriHIBit (DTaP as Tripedia and HIB as ActHIB) - 170 mcg"</div>
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The amount of aluminum in the recommended indiv. dose of a biological product shall not exceed 1.250mg.<br><br>
When you give multiple vaccines containing aluminum it can exceed this.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The amount of aluminum in the recommended indiv. dose of a biological product shall not exceed 1.250mg.<br><br>
When you give multiple vaccines containing aluminum it can exceed this.</div>
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References please.<br><br>
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I found the following to be quite interesting as well, specifically the first two, I'll quote the whole list for posterity.<br><br><a href="http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/nvac/documents/Aluminumws.pdf</a> (your link, SM)<br><br>
The second panel discussed “what we don’t know” about<br>
aluminum-containing adjuvants and identified the following<br><b>areas to be more thoroughly studied</b>.<br><br><b>1. Toxicology and pharmacokinetics of aluminum adjuvants.<br>
Specifically, the processing of aluminum by<br>
infants and children.<br><br>
2. Mechanisms by which aluminum adjuvants interact with<br>
the immune system</b>.<br><br>
3. Necessity of adjuvants in booster doses.<br>
4. Definition of frequency and duration of the MMF lesion<br>
in normal people.<br>
5. Role of aluminum in the pathophysiology of the MMF<br>
lesion.<br>
6. Human control studies to assess the relationship between<br>
the “symptom complex” identified by Dr. Gherardi in<br>
patients who have the MMF lesion and the MMF lesion.<br>
7. New adjuvant development.<br>
8. Expanded trials of IM rather than the SQ route of injection<br>
for anthrax vaccine and non-needle vaccine administration<br>
technologies.
 

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How about some perspective on what exactly a milligram of neurotoxin can do to the human brain. Aluminum is injected in milligram amounts. Yet it only takes .002 mg (or 2 mcg) of aluminum to alter normal gene expression in the brain.
 

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Insider-do you have a reference for that? I am in a discussion with someone about this and that would be the perfect fact to include, but I can't find sources.<br><br>
The minimal reduction of aluminium is not worth it especially when you consider that it is then all entering the one injection site. Aluminium is known to cause the lumps in the muscle with some shots-increasing that dose of aluminium into the one spot rather than spreading it around can only be a bad thing, can only increase side effects like that.
 

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Here is a link to a post in a thread in the archives with some references on the dangers of aluminum, to get you started.<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showpost.php?p=3265090&postcount=16" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...0&postcount=16</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How about some perspective on what exactly a milligram of neurotoxin can do to the human brain. Aluminum is injected in milligram amounts. Yet it only takes .002 mg (or 2 mcg) of aluminum to alter normal gene expression in the brain.</div>
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The daily estimated intake of an average adult is<br><br><b>8 mg</b> - I will repeat, per day.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/water-eau/drink-potab/aluminum-aluminium_e.html" target="_blank">reference</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How about some perspective on what exactly a milligram of neurotoxin can do to the human brain. Aluminum is injected in milligram amounts. Yet it only takes .002 mg (or 2 mcg) of aluminum to alter normal gene expression in the brain.</div>
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Yes, please references.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">The daily estimated intake of an average adult is<br><br><b>8 mg</b> - I will repeat, per day.</div>
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I don't think how much aluminum an adult eats is really relevant. I'm concerned with how much gets to a baby's brain. That's where a neurotoxin does its damage.
 

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Thanks for sharing! I had no idea that the amount wasn't much less.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">The daily estimated intake of an average adult is<br><br><b>8 mg</b> - I will repeat, per day.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/water-eau/drink-potab/aluminum-aluminium_e.html" target="_blank">reference</a></div>
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Yes and we've been through the whole injection vs. ingestion thing before, too. No point in entering that whole debate again, because it really seems like we go over this topic again and again and again. I don't see much disagreement that there is a difference in the two when we're talking about pretty much every <i>other</i> drug.<br><br>
Edit: Your own link says the average infant's daily intake is <b>less than 1 mg</b>. It also says this:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Emphasis mine.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If you are referring to the San Juan meeting, then yes, I believe so. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is considerably lower than the maximum isn't it?<br><br>
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The max is .85 milligrams.<br>
How much might someone recieve via vaxes on one day at a max? (with 4 al adjuvanted vaxes on one day).<br><br>
Also, how sound is the science behind the .85 milligram limit? Was that limit designed for an infant or an adult?<br><br>
How can we check that if no one knows where it came from???<br>
If it's from the distant past, they might have had some goofy ideas about things back then. Or maybe not.<br>
Who knows?<br><br>
I found an old link to the Puerto Rico discussion on it, btw:<br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showpost.php?p=9132682&postcount=63" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...2&postcount=63</a>
 
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