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I have never seen this breed before...my book of dog breed only tells me pretty much what I can see with my own two eyes, that it is a giant breed with a protective/herding mentality. It must be a pretty rare bree

Does anyone have any experience with these?
 

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It's a lifestock guardian dog. Those are a very, very specific set of dogs that bond to and guard sheep and goats; they do not herd and they don't really protect anything but the livestock they're bonded to.

LGDs are almost always white or mostly white (Anatolians, which are light tan, are an exception) and are EXTREMELY protective. They are other-dog and other-canid aggressive, will attack bears, will attack people if they think they threaten the sheep, etc., but are almost unbelievably kind and gentle to their livestock and to the humans they perceive as no threat (and to other dogs if they don't perceive any danger). They are also bred to ignore human commands if they think otherwise (after all, if you say come and there's a bear over the hill that you can't see, the dog should ignore you and run to face the bear).

A LGD's natural territory is in the hundreds or thousands of acres; they are not suited to small farms or yards, and will break or climb almost any fence to get out.

All in all, LGDs are rarely suited to family life, with the possible exception of SOME Great Pyrenees who have been bred away from stock for many generations. But the more primitive or fresh-out-of-the-mountains the dogs are, the less suited they are to being confined. Anatolians, Maremma, Akbash, and Kuvasz should only be owned by people prepared to meet their considerable needs.
 

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Anatolians are not "rare" but not as common as a Labrador. They are still a true working dog and kept as a working dog, not a pet in the suburbs. If you are looking into them and someone is trying to pass them off as "rare breed" and charging more $$$ becuase of that run the other way.
 

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Ah Joanna...I love you.
Thanks for the great overview. You should read the webfaq on these dogs...perhaps you could give them some pointers, because quite a few of the sites mention that the dogs would be "fine in a fenced yard, as long as given a job to do". Yikes.

APBTLuv-nope, no one was trying to pass them off as rare, but I think as far as numbers go, they are pretty uncommon in the U.S. At least that's what the websites say! It's the first one I have ever "seen in person" but maybe that's because I don't live in the right setting that people need these types of dogs.


Hey Shannon-you really weren't trying to get away with a Yeah That, were you? Just kidding...
 

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Well, I'd buy it if "a job to do" meant 3-4 hours a day of activity. ANY dog, no matter how driven, is happy to be in a yard if it's exhausted
. But for these guys, with no or very little ball drive (so they won't play for hours), no real enjoyment of obedience training, and an instinctive territory of about a square mile, most of the time a fenced yard is misery.
 

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I have read about this breed; also there is a Russian dog (this may be the one too) and they sound like not the dog for the meek at heart....since they are not that well know in the city, I have never actually seen one. However, it is definately not the dog for our family.....
 

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I've had Anatolians for over 20 years; I breed, show, train, & work mine (I also breed fancy poultry & sheep). A big, serious breed; sheds a lot, barks a lot, tends to be dog aggressive, will wander if not well fenced, needs a lot of time & effort spent on training if it's going to be a personal companion. That said, I have put obedience titles on a couple of mine (I guess I'm just one of those people who *likes* whacking their head on brick walls - they're smart dogs, but not known for trainability....). I'm down to just 3 right now (usually have 5-6), a working pair who live w/the sheep, & a retired flock guardian who lives down by the house. All have Canine Good Citizen certificates, the oldest is a breed Ch., & the youngest just a few points away from finishing his championship. Better in country places that have good fences; usually mellow & good w/children, but very protective.
My youngest, Ruh
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...es/ruhlook.jpg
His partner, Disi
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...s/disipose.jpg
My old boy, Sim
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...ges/simhit.jpg
Sim's uncle, Gunther, a dog I bred
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...es/gunther.jpg
 

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Welcome!! (Does this mean I'm now outnumbered???...probably not, since you work your guys too
) Congrats on the obedience titles. I remember a woman who was buying a dog from us, I just wasnt' sure yet if she could handle a working line shepherd so we were talking about other breeds she had worked with (wanted to do high level obedience) then she told me she'd put an OTCH on her airdale with 6 scores of 199. Yeah, you can handle one of our dogs cause you must have the patience of a saint!!
 

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Thanks for the welcome & comments! I love Anatolians, but freely admit they're not a typical "pet" sort of dog; while I do promote them as excellent predator deterrants, sometimes what people really need is some electric fence, a llama, or a donkey. We have coyotes, bobcats, & cougars in our area, which is why I have the dogs (& why I work them in pairs). The llama farm down the road has a pair of Great Pyrenees. Here's some pics showing some of my flock w/the dogs:
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...imsheep06w.jpg
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...s/dizflock.jpg
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.c...sheep3960w.jpg
And an article I wrote about ASDs:
http://shahbazinanatolianshepherds.com/sheepdog.htm
I shear my own sheep, spin, & crochet; this spring, I was shearing one last sheep a week before I went into labor w/my daughter...
 

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Shabazin do you post on MT?
If we're thinking of the same forum, yes! Haven't been as active on dog boards/lists since DD came along 3 months ago though - been spending more time researching "Infants, care & feeding of" (she's our 1st)- was hanging out at another baby forum, & my fav homesteading one, when a link to here was posted at the latter.
 

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Well hello I'm Barb S from MT
Thought your dogs looked familiar as well as your screen name
Nice to see some dog board people have similar parenting ideals. This is a great board to read and I have learned so much, wish I knew about it when my first was little.
 

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We were considering them for our Nig. dwarfs as we seem to have a new mountain lion issue. (A deer partially consumed & buried about 50 yds from the house (
) w/lots of tracks & then a neighbor spotted a big male at our fenceline 2 weeks ago).
No one on our road has had any problems w/cougars yet but I imagine its just a matter of time.
The coyotes seem to prefer picking off the neighbor's geese
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We never thought we needed a LGD..but I'm worried all the time now, for my toddler too. We certainly don't want an animal that can't be socialized tho.
The breeder I spoke with didn't say anything about working them in pairs.
We have a 3 1/2 acre fenced area for the goats. Would you guys recommend 2 dogs for such a small area?

BTW-Shahbazin, what is the coloring called on the dog in the first pic (ruh?)...Beautiful animal!
 

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What's your fencing like? Height/strength? Because the dogs won't stay in the fence even if the goats do if they can possibly get out.

I know lots of goat people who have LGDs (I bred and showed Saanens when I was younger, so I was in that world before I was in the dog world)--from the stories I've heard, the trick is choosing the right breed, getting a dog to bond with the goats, and *judiciously* training and socializng them so they'll be friendly to you, won't run from people, but still see the goats as the priority.

Are you on goat e-mail or discussion lists in your area? You may be able to get a head start there. When I was active in goats, the Pyr was the most common but didn't always successfully bond with the animals. The Maremmas were known as a better bet for automatic bonding, and the Anatolians were *just* coming on the scene and not many people had them. This:http://www.lgd.org/lgdl.html used to be "the" list (high volume and very knowledgeable).
 
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