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the preemie-sized plastibell. The really sick thing is it isn't a joke. They really do it to these tiny babies. Before I had a preemie myself, I knew this went on, but now it seems like I'm totally surrounded by it. My DS is one of 5 boys his particular room. 3 of the others are or will get cut this week. I was there today when one of them had just been done, and the nurse was showing the mom how to care for the wound. I nearly ran out of the room feeling nauseated. Seriously people. I do not understand how anyone can look at a preemie who has already been through the ringer with an incredibly difficult journey, and then put him through an elective cosmetic surgery. Where are these people's consciences? If not the parents, the staff should know better. Ugh, I cannot wait to be done with the NICU.
 

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You're right. That was one of the reasons that we did not circ my third son... he had already been through so much poking and proding in the NICU. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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I can't imagine my preemie having gone through that. My term oldest in the NICU with everything else going on for him, either. Poor boys.
 

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Want me to send you some literature to leave in the NICU waiting room?<br><br>
Hugs to you, mama! I'm sure having a LO in NICU is stressful enough, and then to have to deal w/ the circ issue around you, horrific.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Want me to send you some literature to leave in the NICU waiting room?<br><br>
Hugs to you, mama! I'm sure having a LO in NICU is stressful enough, and then to have to deal w/ the circ issue around you, horrific.</div>
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What sort of literature? Can I really get away with just leaving it there?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What sort of literature? Can I really get away with just leaving it there?</div>
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Sure, why not? I leave noCirc pamphlets wherever I go. My dh sometimes leaves the "What does this card have to do with your PENIS?" index cards around. We don't leave tons of them all in one place, but maybe one or two wherever we go. I buy the pamphlets in bulk but you can print them from various websites.<br>
Heck, where I work, a religious organization leaves literature in our waiting rooms all the time. I have no idea if people take it and read it or if it just gets tossed by the housekeeper, but I frequently see them sitting out on the tables and in the magazine racks. You can't get arrested for it or anything if that is what you're thinking.<br><br>
You might be able to print off one or two of these from home:<br><br><a href="http://www.nocirc.org/publish/3pam.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nocirc.org/publish/3pam.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.coloradonocirc.org/pamphlets.php" target="_blank">http://www.coloradonocirc.org/pamphlets.php</a><br><br><a href="http://luckystiff.org/circumcision/information/Circumcision_Wrong.pdf" target="_blank">http://luckystiff.org/circumcision/i...sion_Wrong.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.infocirc.org/facts.htm" target="_blank">http://www.infocirc.org/facts.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://nocircpa.org/4642.html" target="_blank">http://nocircpa.org/4642.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/publications.html#leaflets" target="_blank">http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi....html#leaflets</a><br><br><a href="http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/DOC_trifold_brochure.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...d_brochure.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/" target="_blank">http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">the preemie-sized plastibell. The really sick thing is it isn't a joke. They really do it to these tiny babies. Before I had a preemie myself, I knew this went on, but now it seems like I'm totally surrounded by it. My DS is one of 5 boys his particular room. 3 of the others are or will get cut this week. I was there today when one of them had just been done, and the nurse was showing the mom how to care for the wound. I nearly ran out of the room feeling nauseated. Seriously people. I do not understand how anyone can look at a preemie who has already been through the ringer with an incredibly difficult journey, and then put him through an elective cosmetic surgery. Where are these people's consciences? If not the parents, the staff should know better. Ugh, I cannot wait to be done with the NICU.</div>
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I agree. Def. leave some literature around. If I were in your situation, I probably would have left that room with some very loud comments.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sure, why not? I leave noCirc pamphlets wherever I go. My dh sometimes leaves the "What does this card have to do with your PENIS?" index cards around. We don't leave tons of them all in one place, but maybe one or two wherever we go. I buy the pamphlets in bulk but you can print them from various websites.<br>
Heck, where I work, a religious organization leaves literature in our waiting rooms all the time. I have no idea if people take it and read it or if it just gets tossed by the housekeeper, but I frequently see them sitting out on the tables and in the magazine racks. You can't get arrested for it or anything if that is what you're thinking.<br><br>
You might be able to print off one or two of these from home:<br><br><a href="http://www.nocirc.org/publish/3pam.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nocirc.org/publish/3pam.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.coloradonocirc.org/pamphlets.php" target="_blank">http://www.coloradonocirc.org/pamphlets.php</a><br><br><a href="http://luckystiff.org/circumcision/information/Circumcision_Wrong.pdf" target="_blank">http://luckystiff.org/circumcision/i...sion_Wrong.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.infocirc.org/facts.htm" target="_blank">http://www.infocirc.org/facts.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://nocircpa.org/4642.html" target="_blank">http://nocircpa.org/4642.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/publications.html#leaflets" target="_blank">http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi....html#leaflets</a><br><br><a href="http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/DOC_trifold_brochure.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...d_brochure.pdf</a><br><br><a href="http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/" target="_blank">http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/</a></div>
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Where can I find the "What does this card have to do with your penis?" cards? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would love to order some informative pamphlets to leave places.<br>
Where can I order them from?<br>
I am from Canada if that makes a difference.</div>
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you can either get them from the nocirc website or contact someone from NOCIRC and place an order.<br><br>
I too leave pamphlets and PENIS cards EVERYWHERE!!! Its interesting if you stick around and watch reactions if you have time!
 

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There are now 6 boys in this nursery. My Ds and another boy whose parents are immigrants are the ONLY ones who won't be circed. I was there today when one of the boys got done. There was only one nurse in there at the time, and I was the only parent. She called and asked for the circumstraint to be brought. I freaked. I ranted and raved about how much these babies had already been through and why can't people leave their precious babies alone. She said a lot of times it's because the dad and grandpa are done. I told her that argument has always blown my mind, and how far are these people willing to go to make their sons look like them. She agreed, but said it's the parent's choice. I said no, it's the baby's choice. She then had to order the sugar water and Tylenol. She said both are used as pain relief. I was openly scathing of that. Tylenol for a surgery!? That stuff won't even touch a headache for me! She said at least they use something now. When she first started 28 years ago, they used nothing, so at least it's a step in the right direction. I said no, a step in the right direction would be to TELL PARENTS TO LET THEIR BABIES BE!!! She asked if I have a blog or something that I can get all this out for people to see. I said yes, but I mainly use it for baby updates, and only if it's relevant do I bring up my views. At that point the instruments of torture were wheeled into the room and I left, but not before the man who brought it took a peak at my DS and said,<br>
"You've got a boy in there? You gonna have him done?" He honestly seemed shocked when I said H3ll no!!<br>
I went to the pump room after that. I could hear that poor baby crying. Then the mom comes in saying "Oh, I feel so bad for him! Poor thing!" as he's howling his head off. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/argue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="argue">:<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/soapbox.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="soapbox"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/splat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="splat"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/censored.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="censored"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/rant.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rant">:<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/tomato.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="tomato"><br><br>
WHY!?
 

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Good for you for saying something. Maybe that nurse will be more vocal next time and help guide parents to let their sons be.<br><br>
Seriously, when things settle down for you, I would write the hospital a letter about this. Let them know how upset you were to know that this was happening, to see the procedure being prepped for, and for the doctors unnecessary solicitation and comments.<br><br>
It would be great if we even had a formal intact support and circumcision information packet that could be given (in cases like this) to hopsital administrators as an example of an idea hospital policy.<br><br>
I'm glad to hear you have a pump room- and I do hope they are supportive of breastfeeding... I've heard a lot of negative things about nicu's and know what a struggle breastfeeding can be even in a supportive nicu.<br><br>
How soon till you leave the NICU? Soon I hope so you can be home with your little one.<br><br>
((Hugs))<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Where can I find the "What does this card have to do with your penis?" cards? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I'd love to know this too...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Where can I find the "What does this card have to do with your penis?" cards? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I believe I first got them from David at the <a href="http://www.stopinfantcircumcision.org" target="_blank">www.stopinfantcircumcision.org</a> site. I think you can also order them from <a href="http://www.luckystiff.org" target="_blank">www.luckystiff.org</a> . They are on 3"x5" cards. You can order or print a few and then either make more from home w/ your own cards or take them to Kinko's. It's easy and always a nice attention grabber. All of the pertinent info is on the other side of the card with "What does this card have to do with your PENIS?" in large letters across the front.
 

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All of this reminds me I need to contact noCirc and order more pamphlets tonight. I'm down to just one. My very last one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> But I have some older ones from the MGM bill that I can leave around town till the new order comes in.<br>
It's very exciting for me to think of who I might reach, educate, plant a seed (or tick off) when those pamphlets are found in magazine racks, on bathroom counters, on bulletin boards in local bookstores and coffee shops. You just never know, and it's a very inexpensive and easy way to get the message out. You can also casually hand one to a pregnant stranger you might see out and about. The pamphlets are easy to carry in your car or purse.
 

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It's great that you spoke out! They also should do the procedure in a room where you don't have to hear it. I swear I would have also probably something that to the mother if I heard a comment like that.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Good for you for saying something. Maybe that nurse will be more vocal next time and help guide parents to let their sons be.<br><br>
Seriously, when things settle down for you, I would write the hospital a letter about this. Let them know how upset you were to know that this was happening, to see the procedure being prepped for, and for the doctors unnecessary solicitation and comments.<br><br>
It would be great if we even had a formal intact support and circumcision information packet that could be given (in cases like this) to hopsital administrators as an example of an idea hospital policy.<br><br>
I'm glad to hear you have a pump room- and I do hope they are supportive of breastfeeding... I've heard a lot of negative things about nicu's and know what a struggle breastfeeding can be even in a supportive nicu.<br><br>
How soon till you leave the NICU? Soon I hope so you can be home with your little one.<br><br>
((Hugs))<br><br>
Jessica</div>
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To them it's just another procedure. Most of them are done right in the nursery because that's life in intensive care. I wonder if DOC has anything like what you describe in the way of an information packet? That sounds like something right up their alley.<br><br>
I would say that this NICU is pretty supportive of breastfeeding, since they've had no problems with me breastfeeding my baby. But I think he is the only one in that room who isn't getting formula. Those other boys are circed AND formula-fed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I don't know when DS will come home, but supposedly he's getting transferred today to a much smaller hospital closer to home. I hope it will be a good thing for us.
 

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Poor sweet little babies. I am so sorry they are being put through more when they don't need to be. Truly it's heart breaking.<br><br><br>
quarteralien, I'm glad your ds is doing well, I hope he's home with you soon. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 
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