[cravenab00]

i dont remember all the rules and stuff, i dont think i can post a link.<br>
but just go to the yahoo homepage, its there.<br><br>
we sure cant have anyone speaking truth now can we?

 

[KimberlyD0]

we could if that truth wasn't fabricated <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> His "study" wasn't as clean as it should have been. Not even remotely. No one can duplicate his results either, because he made sure the results would show what he wanted.<br><br>
I feel the same about anyone who does what he did. he lost his credibility and I personally think he did more harm to the anti-vax movement then good because its been proved that he lied.<br><br>
Even if what he says is true, the way he got there was dihonest and that means there is no credibility to it.

 

[mama1803]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i dont remember all the rules and stuff, i dont think i can post a link.<br>
but just go to the yahoo homepage, its there.<br><br>
we sure cant have anyone speaking truth now can we?</div>
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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100524/ap_on_sc/eu_britain_autism_doctor" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100524/..._autism_doctor</a>

 

[Suka]

I wonder whats going threw the mind of non-vax mammas on here? Do you feel betrayed? Do you still stand by your decisions?

 

[Suka]

I wonder whats going threw the mind of non-vax mammas on here? Do you feel betrayed? Do you still stand by your decisions?<br><br><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37311056/ns/health/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37311056/ns/health/</a>

 

[sapientia]

my decision NOT to vax has nothing to do with this doctor. It has to do with personal experience and a long history of reactions in my family as well as tons of research.

 

[Deborah]

I've been following this case closely.<br><br>
I think the judgement is a travesty.<br><br>
What was done was to take a few minor paperwork problems and blow them up into a huge scandal.<br><br>
Compare, for example, to the business as usual response to Merck actually publishing fake medical journals to promote Vioxx.<br><br>
Can we say double standard?<br><br>
The main point of the insane way this whole thing has been handled was to intimidate any other doctors who might speak up for children or anyone else with vaccine injuries in the U.K.<br><br>
Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Deborah]

Just wanted to add that I doubt very many parents decided against vaccines based on this case. Most of the people I know have done a fair amount of research from multiple angles before making up their minds.<br><br>
Has anyone heard of Jayne Donavan (sp?)? She was also hauled up for a vaccine thing, but she managed to convince the panel that she had her facts right.<br><br>
Now, here is the interesting thing. Before and during her "trial" there was lots of nasty negative publicity about her. When she was let off and vindicated, except for a couple of back-page items there was no publicity at all.<br><br>
Press control in the U.K. is pretty good I think. For drug company interests.

 

[heathergirl67]

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I wouldn't call taking blood from kids at his son's birthday party w/o parental consent a minor paperwork problem. Have non-reproducable results is the hallmark of bad science, not a paperwork problem. It seems to me that Britain is taking issue with the way the study was produced, not its results. I think that it's possible that later on a study could be found to produce the same results. Only that study would have been done in a proper, reproducable way. That's way Wakefield did more harm for his cause than good, IMO.<br><br>
And I agree, the press is definitely more interested in sensationalism than following a story to its conclusion. I've seen that happen on many issues, though, so I don't really think a pharma conspiracy is behind it.

 

[OdinsMommy0409]

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[MaryLang]

My decision not to vax had nothing to do with this guy either, but rather my research on each vaccine. And I whole heatedly stand by my decision not to vax.

 

[lach]

We are doing a selective and delayed vaccination schedule and I absolutely promise you it has nothing to do with Wakefield. The man is not someone who I consider to be a responsible scientist. He did far more harm than good to the cause of questioning the normal US (and presumably UK, though I don't really know anything about that) vaccine schedule. I'm so, so sick of people who just point to his discrediting as "proof" that there's nothing wrong with the way we vaccinate our children: it's become an easy red herring that makes it easy-peasy to ignore the larger issues involved, and deride those with honest questions about vaccine standards and safety.

 

[Romana]

I don't feel betrayed; I never felt that Dr. Wakefield's research was a reliable source (sample size way too small - also IIRC the results could not be duplicated).<br><br>
Dr. Wakefield's research has not been a primary motivator in vaccination decisions. There is a lot of quackery in the "natural" medical community, especially with respect to autism. Parents are desperate, in some cases, and mainstream medicine has little to offer. Therefore, the opportunity for quackery is present, and in some cases, exploited.<br><br>
Not accusing Dr. Wakefield specifically of anything, but I'm also not surprised at the decision.

 

[Katerz2u]

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As if my decision to not vaccinate was based on Dr. Wakefield's information? I hadn't even heard of him until I was firm in my decision not to vaccinate.<br>
I think the whole situation is unfortunate but it doesn't shake my beliefs one bit.

 

[mbhf]

I have honestly never heard of this guy, so he obviously had no bearing on my decision to not vaccinate my children. I am very secure in my decision and I don't think there is anything that would make me question it.

 

[Funny Face]

We don't vax and it doesn't have anything to do with MMR and autism. I've never heard of Wakefield. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hide.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hide">

 

[MyFillingQuiver]

We don't vax, and our decision has little to do with the MMR/autism link. It has more to do with the loads of research we've done which revealed copious amounts of real study and information on chemicals, death and other immediate, short term and long term injury, auto-immune and neurological disorders, along with the flaw we see in the entire argument behind the effectiveness. Additionally, I am suspect of ANYTHING the gov't pushes so hard for while getting large dollars for their efforts.<br><br>
With that said, I have minimally heard of Wakefield. I think it's TERRIBLY shameful that he is banned. Without knowing much about him, it seems he had plenty of peer reviewed information to make his cause worthwhile in taking a further look at...meaning, most research in the US begins with peer reviews of very small samples. With that correlation, he'd be qualified to at least ask questions before congress and the AMA/AAP!<br><br>
I edited to add that I totally agree with the pp lach, that he could make for a very good red herring, and she makes excellent points! I also tire of the "Don't you know the autism link has been debunked" question, as if that has anything to do with our decisions! GEEZ!<br><br>
He goes against the grain, though...which is ALWAYS what big gov't does when they are worried about someone speaking out-silence them! I'm all for free speech, and free and open research.

 

[CallMeMommy]

Ditto the PP, the name rings a bell but he had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to not vaccinate.

 

[Fyrestorm]

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When I decided not to vaccinate, I had never heard of him.

 

[JessicaS]

We are cautious on vaccinations due to a history of reactions in the family as well as autoimmune issues. It didn't have anything to do with any one physician or any one study