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The other threads got my mind a whirling.<br><br>
We have two cars. One is quite unsafe but not used often. We recently bought a Scenera for that car. I am OK with that. We were really low on cash at the time we bought it and really did not have much choice.<br><br>
We are still low on cash but I know that dd is going to outgrow both her Roundabout and the Scenera within 6 months. Or at least I think she will. I am pretty sure she will be OK weight-wise for quite some time and it is really hard to determine how much height she might gain.<br><br>
I have two main questions. First, what is the oldest that people have seen or know of a kid still fitting into a Roundabout? Dd is 3.75 but it quite small for her age. I am wondering if it is at all realistic to expect this seat to go 6+ months.<br><br>
Second, I know that there are some parents here that attempt to 5-pt harness thier kids until they get married and I appreciate that. But I do want to get a feel for a more "realistic" age that a booster makes more sense. Of course I want dd to be as safe as possible but I do not want to do that at the expense of dd being able to go places with friends or being the only kid she ever sees still in a "baby seat". She is already complaining that her friend who is only 2 already has a "big girl seat".<br><br>
I am running up into the "what to do" decision. If I KNOW I am going to be buying another 5-pt harness seat, I might as well buy it now and put the Roundabout in the beater car and get rid of the Scenera. But if there is a significant chance that the Roundabout will get her to some undetermined age (see question 2) in which a booster makes more sense, I would rather wait and not spend another $350+.
 

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I'd say she needs to be in a 5 pt until at least 5, that's when I'll consider moving DDs to boosters. Try the 5 step test with her. <a href="http://www.carseat.org/" target="_blank">Here.</a> Click 5 step test. I would robably buy another 5 pt for her. I would also explain to her that it is <b>much</b> safer for her to be in the carseat, and maybe talk to the parent of her friend. Boosters are made for kids 4+, two is really dangerous for that.
 

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When getting a new seat I wouldn't call it a carseat. Go with whatever will work for her (like a race car driver! like an airplane pilot!)<br><br>
good luck!<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">When getting a new seat I wouldn't call it a carseat. Go with whatever will work for her (like a race car driver! like an airplane pilot!)<br><br>
good luck!<br><br>
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Good idea!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd say she needs to be in a 5 pt until at least 5, that's when I'll consider moving DDs to boosters. Try the 5 step test with her. <a href="http://www.carseat.org/" target="_blank">Here.</a> Click 5 step test. I would robably buy another 5 pt for her. I would also explain to her that it is <b>much</b> safer for her to be in the carseat, and maybe talk to the parent of her friend. Boosters are made for kids 4+, two is really dangerous for that.</div>
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I have tried talking to them. She showed me the box and it does say 20 pounds and one year. I was shocked. She switched her dd over right before 2 yo. Around here, I have seen exactly zero 3+ yos in 5 point harnesses. Not saying it is "right" just what it is, you know?
 

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I know you are being flip, but this is offensive. It really bugs me when people take something others are arguing for, and take it to the extreme which isn't what people are arguing for.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I think most children are not ready for a booster until at least the age of 5. As for other kids and what their parents do, frankly I don't parent based on what others do so I don't really take that into account when determining what is best for my child. A two year old in a booster is dangerious period. As I see it, I don't want to make sure my child is "cool" in the eyes of other kids, at the expense of his safety. My son asked me about his friend's booster and I explained why he needs to be in his seat, and how he is safer in case of accident and so forth.
 

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The child is in a convertible seat that converts to a booster is my guess. The 1 year/20 lbs bit is for the convertible part of the car seat, not the booster part. Perhaps you should print out the flyer someone posted earlier, and show her that? And as I said before, just because someone else does something, or even everyone else does something, doesn't mean I am following the pack. If that was the case I certainly wouldn't have bf my kid till he was 2, I would have circed him, and a whole lot of other things that I did differently from most others where I live.
 

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20 lbs and one year means the minimum age for a child to be forward facing NOT the age out of a harness!<br><br>
I say you are quite lucky to have nearly 4 year old still fitting in a Roundabout. Most kids don't last NEARLY that long. Congrats on getting your money's worth <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
You have multiple options for a higher harnessing weight seat at her age.<br><br>
Starting cheap:<br><br>
Cosco Apex Elite: Goes to 65 lbs/49 inches harnessed, then turns into a belt positioning booster until 100 lbs/5 feet. You can get that for 100-130 depending on where you look. You MUST have high seat backs or head rests to use it, otherwise it is a great, non-expensive option for a larger carseat<br><br>
Britaxes Marathon/Boulevard. Convertible seat, will go to 65 lbs/49 inches harnessed. Great seat. No booster function 230-300 depending which model you get and where you buy it.<br><br>
Sunshine Kids Radian65 (don't waste money on the Radian80): Convertible seat, will go to 65 lbs/FIFTY ONE inches. The tall harness height on this is a plus. 180-200 dollars<br><br>
Britax Regent: creme de la creme! 80 lbs/53 inches. Forward facing only. 270 dollars. In your position, with a significantly older child, THIS is what I would buy.<br><br>
I do not believe a child should be in a booster before his sixth birthday, personally <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The child is in a convertible seat that converts to a booster is my guess. The 1 year/20 lbs bit is for the convertible part of the car seat, not the booster part.</div>
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I'm all for the harness seats but I have a straight up belt positioning booster with no other way to use it that says it it for 1yr and 20 lbs and up.I use this seat for a 7 yr old.But right there in the manual it says it can be used for a 20 lb 1 yr old.That is a problem.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm all for the harness seats but I have a straight up belt positioning booster with no other way to use it that says it it for 1yr and 20 lbs and up.I use this seat for a 7 yr old.But right there in the manual it says it can be used for a 20 lb 1 yr old.That is a problem.</div>
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You might wanna check that. No booster on the market is sold or marketed for less than 3 and 30, and many are now being marked 4 and 40 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You might wanna check that. No booster on the market is sold or marketed for less than 3 and 30, and many are now being marked 4 and 40 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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It's a few yrs old but it said for 1 yr and 20 lbs.I remember because I was very surprised.<br><br>
Antway,my point is that if a seat manufacturer is telling parents that something is safe why wouldn't people believe it?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Antway,my point is that if a seat manufacturer is telling parents that something is safe why wouldn't people believe it?</div>
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Um, because they have a financial interest? Tabacco companies said it was safe for years too....<br><br>
Always do your own research....<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's a few yrs old but it said for 1 yr and 20 lbs.I remember because I was very surprised.<br><br>
Antway,my point is that if a seat manufacturer is telling parents that something is safe why wouldn't people believe it?</div>
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Yeah. The booster my friend had was not a convertable, it was just a booster. I was absolutely shocked that anyone, financial interest or not, would think a 20 lb, 1 yo could handle a seat like that. She bought it 1.5 years ago. I swear I saw the same booster at the store just a few months ago. I will have to go back and check now.
 

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Britax Regent: creme de la creme! 80 lbs/53 inches. Forward facing only. 270 dollars. In your position, with a significantly older child, THIS is what I would buy.<br><br>
I do not believe a child should be in a booster before his sixth birthday, personally <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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Do you know of an online place that sells this for $270? I have been looking but the prices I find are much more than this plus shipping. There is nowhere near us that sells Britax.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know you are being flip, but this is offensive. It really bugs me when people take something others are arguing for, and take it to the extreme which isn't what people are arguing for.<br><br><br><br>
I think most children are not ready for a booster until at least the age of 5. As for other kids and what their parents do, frankly I don't parent based on what others do so I don't really take that into account when determining what is best for my child. A two year old in a booster is dangerious period. As I see it, I don't want to make sure my child is "cool" in the eyes of other kids, at the expense of his safety. My son asked me about his friend's booster and I explained why he needs to be in his seat, and how he is safer in case of accident and so forth.</div>
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Well, I was certainly not trying to offend. I stated that I appreciate that. And I do. I am ALL about carseat safety, ask any of my friends or my poor ILs that are terrified to even attempt to strap dd into a seat for fear of doing it wrong and getting corrected by me. I have seen many people on here state that they think 8, 9, 10+ yos should still be harnessed. That is great and I wish it was that simple, but it is not realistic in our case. We rely too heavily on carpooling, taxi's, public transit, rental cars, and the like to still be hauling 5 pt harness seats to the SATs. And before you jump on me again, I mean that in the same way that I humorously say that dd might sleep through the night when she goes to college....maybe. I am attempting to strike a realistic balance between being as safe as I can but not being "over the top" which is what most people who know me already think I am for even considering buying another 5 pt harness in the first place.<br><br>
And nowhere did I say I was going to make a parenting decision based on what is "cool". Suggesting that I do is also "flip" if we are going to go "there". I was simply stating that my dd has already noticed that she is different from every other kid she knows her age and many younger than her. I was not trying to say that I will just let her go without because it is not "cool". I was mentioning it as a gauge that perhaps my ideals might be a little "over the top" as they sometimes are. She does know that she still has that seat because it is safer. What I was trying to figure out is if there are in fact other smaller children that still fit in their Roundabouts until age 5 or close to it. Age 5 was my goal for a 5 pt but I might consider going up to age 6 (or even beyond) if there is a significant chance dd will not make it to 5 anyway and I need to purchase a seat.<br><br>
Basically what it boils down to is..... Am I going to need another 5 pt harness seat due to dd growing out of the Roundabout before age 5? If so, I might as well get it now and use the Roundabout in our beater car rather than the Scenera that I feel is not quite as safe.
 

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Yooper: <a href="http://www.specialtybaby.com/brreyocarsei.html" target="_blank">http://www.specialtybaby.com/brreyocarsei.html</a><br><br>
I love this store (Albee Baby). I have bought all my carseats from them, and their shipping is prompt (and free for over 100!!) and their CS is fabulous.<br><br><br>
I understand you were just being flip about going to college <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
For me, it's not so much a matter of being harnessed to a certain age (although that plays a part in maturity/readiness for a booster), as that certain sized children still need to be harnessed.<br><br>
If I had VERY petite little ones who still fit easily in a five point harness at 10, I would probably keep a 5 point in the main car with a booster for a backup.<br><br>
My son is TALL though (the ped guesses he'll be between 6'2 and 6'6 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bigeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bigeyes">), so I don't see a 10 year old harnessed in this house <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Basically what it boils down to is..... Am I going to need another 5 pt harness seat due to dd growing out of the Roundabout before age 5? .</div>
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I would put money on it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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You know, it's not so very long ago that people who used car seats at all were "over the top" Then those who used them at all past one year were "over the top" Then two years... etc.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yooper: <a href="http://www.specialtybaby.com/brreyocarsei.html" target="_blank">http://www.specialtybaby.com/brreyocarsei.html</a><br><br>
I love this store (Albee Baby). I have bought all my carseats from them, and their shipping is prompt (and free for over 100!!) and their CS is fabulous.<br></div>
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Thanks!!!!!!
 

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If my car has side airbags, does TSIP do much? I noticed that the Regent does not have this but the Boulevard and Decathalon do. I know that the Regent goes to 80 lbs but dd is only 30 pounds at 3.5 yo. She probably will not outgrow the 65 lbs until she is like 12. Harness slots are a different story......
 
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