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OMG, I can't believe this.<br><br>
Child uses lunch box as toilet because teacher won't let him go to the bathroom.<br><br><a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/03/18/payne.fl.kid.lunchbox.bathroom.wesh" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....bathroom.wesh</a><br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Based on statements from other students in the class, school officials think that when the boy asked to go the restroom on Thursday, Chambers told him to hold it or use her lunchbox. The boy then took the lunchbox, hid behind a bookcase, urinated in it and returned it to the teacher, said Frank Kruppenbacher, attorney for the Orange County School Board.<br><br>
"I think we clearly know she didn't tell him, 'Go pee in this box,' in the sense of going to go do that," Kruppenbacher said. "That's beyond our comprehension."<br><br>
But what Chambers actually said or meant, or what else transpired with that child, will not be clear until she is interviewed, he said. That interview is scheduled for Monday.<br><br>
"It's not something we've ever seen before," he said. "In fairness to our teacher, we've really got to wait to have her explain to us exactly what happened."</td>
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I'm very sad to say that this doesn't really surprise me. I've done battle with my kids' middle school over bathroom use, something they want to call a "privilege", but that I (and the law) assume to be a right.<br><br>
Ridiculous. Unconscionable. To laugh at someone for needing to empty his bladder is just beyond the beyond.<br><br>
I have to pee now. Who has the bathroom pass? Or should I just go behind my desk and squat? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed">
 

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I'm glad she is only a first year teacher. Without tenure, she can be fired (which probably won't happen anyway). And $37,000.00 per year as a first year teacher???? Give me a break. I wish I made that much my first year out of college (and I actually worked 12 months out of the year).<br><br>
Loooooooove her statement on her website:<br><br>
"As one committed to service to all mankind, scholastic achievement, and the well-being of all persons, I look forward to assisting all my students reach their personal stars,". Yeah. Unless you have to pee, then I guess you're SOL.
 

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Agh, I hated that when I was in school... I had one teacher that wouldn't let anyone leave for the bathroom, so I just got out and went without asking. Such BS.
 

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I had a coach who wouldn't let me go to the bathroom when I suspected that my period had started. I was embarassed to tell him why I needed to go to the bathroom. He told me to hold it until I was done running laps. I told him I couldn't hold it. He looked at me and said that I should've taken care of business before class started. So I ran around the track until I was close to the building and proceeded to run to the bathroom. When I came back he deducted 10 points from my score that day. I didn't care. It was better than being humiliated in front of all the male students by having a spreading stain on my shorts.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> How awful.
 

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sounds painfully familiar.<br><br>
in 4th grade, i ended up wetting my pants, because the teacher wouldnt let me leave to pee until X time.<br>
then again, when i was a junior in high school, and was in my second trimester of pregnancy, my spanish teacher said that no one was ever allowed to leave her class to go to the bathroom. (we were on block scheduling, 1.5 hour class periods) That if they had a "medical problem" and needed to go to the bathroom often, we would need a doctors note. My dad went in one day and ripped her a new one, and when she still wouldnt budge, went and found the principal and took him into the classroom with this Spanish teacher. Said that if i were to accquire a UTI, or any other urinary issue that they would be sued for the cost and for personal suffering. that finally shut them up.<br><br>
yuck, that brought up some icky memories <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">sounds painfully familiar.<br><br>
in 4th grade, i ended up wetting my pants, because the teacher wouldnt let me leave to pee until X time.<br>
then again, when i was a junior in high school, and was in my second trimester of pregnancy, my spanish teacher said that no one was ever allowed to leave her class to go to the bathroom. (we were on block scheduling, 1.5 hour class periods) That if they had a "medical problem" and needed to go to the bathroom often, we would need a doctors note. My dad went in one day and ripped her a new one, and when she still wouldnt budge, went and found the principal and took him into the classroom with this Spanish teacher. Said that if i were to accquire a UTI, or any other urinary issue that they would be sued for the cost and for personal suffering. that finally shut them up.<br><br>
yuck, that brought up some icky memories <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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Why do teachers do this? Do they have inferiority complexes? I have a handful of stories similar to what's been posted. I think it's a power trip thing. Some people become teachers because they want to rule over a captive audience. It's pathetic.
 

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In fourth grade I puked all over the floor cause the teacher didn't believe I felt sick.<br><br>
It was right before lunch too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief">
 

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I used to get horrid menstrual cramps in high school, and the first day of my period I would get lightheaded, vomit and then pass out.<br><br>
I still remember senior year of school, asking the teacher to use the restroom for these reasons. He would not, under any circumstances, allow me to leave the room. I (who have an issue with authority in the first place) got up, walked out, made it halfway down the hall before I puked, made it to the bathroom to pass out.<br><br>
I was suspended for a week. I remember my dad going down to the school and reaming out the entire faculty. I can still remember his voice echoing through the hallways.<br><br><br>
But yea. I've seen kids (in elementary AND in high school) pee their pants, puke, pass out, crap themselves.. you name it. All because apparently, using the restroom is a priviledge, IF THAT.
 

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I learned this lesson early, I wet myself in first grade when my teacher wouldn't let me go. After my mom yelled at everyone at the school she told me not to bother asking anymore. So whenever I had a teacher that was a pain about the bathroom I just didn't ask.<br>
It is really awful what many teachers see as a "privilege", bathroom, water, food...ugg
 

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In first grade, I asked to "go pee". The teacher said not until I asked right. I said "please", she said I had to ask right (I'm squirming in my chair by now), I said "Please may I go pee" (no one had taught me to say "use the restroom" or bathroom)...she ordered me to say it right or I couldn't go. I started begging, "please, please, please may I go pee"....<br><br>
I peed right there at my desk and had the entire classroom laughing at me and she <b>scolded</b> me, humiliating me further (how that was possible I don't know).<br><br>
I seem to remember my mom ripping the school up one side and down the other..... I was taught the "right" way to say it.<br><br>
But I was never apologized to.<br><br>
So, it's not just in Florida.
 

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Uggh, urination as a "privelage" - what will schools think of next? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Why do teachers get off on bulling little kids? I don't get it.
 

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I'm sure everyone has had a bad experience with a teacher but can we avoid sweeping generalizations about inferiority complexes and power trips? Please keep in mind some of us MDC mamas are educators and are caring, dedicated people.
 

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OK, as appalled as I am about the whole thing... the article also says that the kids use the bathroom excuse to get out of class. What's the solution, I wonder. I absolutely definitely do not want any kid going through the stories some of you have related. I don't remember this being an issue at the school I went to. We didn't have bathroom passes and such. If you had to go to the bathroom, you went. When you were done, you went back. That was that.<br><br>
I'm not a teacher, but I can see how kids constantly asking to go to the bathroom would get annoying and would be disruptive... especially if you knew most of them didn't really have to go. We faced a similar thing with DS1 when he stopped wearing diapers at night. HE would go to the bathroom every 10 minutes for hours. Finally, we actually would go inspect and see if did use the toilet. That sort of stopped him from abusing the privilege. I can't see schools doing the same thing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't remember this being an issue at the school I went to. We didn't have bathroom passes and such. If you had to go to the bathroom, you went. When you were done, you went back. That was that.</div>
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As far back as third grade I remember getting 10 minutes detention for going to the bathroom during class.<br><br>
In high school I got in an argument with a student teacher because a friend of mine asked to go to the bathroom in 6th period. Some people had Lunch after 5th period (before 6th) and some had it before 5th so you had lunch 5th 6th. Anyway this teacher told my friend that she had just had lunch and she could wait. So me being a big mouth said, Uhhh No.. she has first lunch with me. So the teacher said, "Tina why don't you just shut up." I said, "Because I never learned the meaning of that word." She then let my friend go to the bathroom, but not without being a witch about it.<br><br>
Also when I was in 12th grade same deal with 1st and 2nd lunch I needed to use the bathroom and the teacher told me no. If I wanted to go I would have to serve detention. I said uhh No I wont. She insisted, I said OK fine.. I'm sick and I am checking out. Later! So I left, used the bathroom, checked out of school, and made my mother demand to be transfered out of her class the next day.<br><br>
So this is not a new thing.. it has been going on for decades. And the thing I find even scarier is the fact that kids DON'T GET RECESS ANYMORE. So when exactly are they supposed to pee while sitting in a classroom for three freaking hours at a time?
 

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I don't even make my students raise their hands! I just let them go! If you got to go, you got to go. This is total bs! She should be fired! The only time I had a problem in school was peeing was with one of my teachers telling us that we shouldn't "can I go to the bathroom?" because of course we can, but "May I go to the bathroom?". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> And another time a boy took the hall pass for a really long time and I said something rude to him when he came back and everyone laughed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: Not too proud of that now - I didn't end up getting to pee and I had to go to the office and received detention.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">OMG, I can't believe this.<br><br>
Child uses lunch box as toilet because teacher won't let him go to the bathroom.<br><br><a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/03/18/payne.fl.kid.lunchbox.bathroom.wesh" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....bathroom.wesh</a><br><br>
If you don't like video, see<br><a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/orl-lunchbox1908mar19,0,6556116.story" target="_blank">http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,6556116.story</a></div>
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I believe it. I wet my pants in 2nd grade because the teacher wouldn't let me use the bathroom...which was located IN. THE. CLASSROOM.<br><br>
I'm serious. It was mortifying to me and I just couldn't understand it...or help it.<br><br>
She said I shouldn't have to go because I should have gone at lunch.<br><br>
But I didn't HAVE TO GO at lunch...I had to go later. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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My kids take karate and there is a command, chumbi, that basicaly means don't move and stand a certain way. In chumbi they were taught to only do two things: blink and breath. Well an instructor told a kid o stay in chumbi and left the room to get something. Comes back and the kid peed. The instructor asked why he did not go to the bathroom. Kid said it was not one of the b's he could do. Now in chumbi, there are 3 b's: blink, breath and BATHROOM <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
As for school, it's all about control. If there was not the big hang up on keeping the kids in line, a bathroom pass would be available for kids to use one at a time.<br><br>
more later if need be- gotta go... I mean to bed. Dh is wondering wtf happened to me<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Bolt.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bolt">
 

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I was a second grader who peed herself once because my teacher wouldn't believe me. It was awful.<br><br>
On the other hand, there is no way that every teacher who says "no, you need to wait" is just some stupid power tripping megalomaniac. Kids DO abuse their right to bathroom time just as often as the others who truly need to go. Also, teachers get in trouble when they continually have students "wandering the halls" (in the principle's eyes). Kids are just as adept as adults at acting and it can be darn hard to tell who needs it and who wants to spend twenty minutes texting her friends while her classmate bounces in her seat with urgency waiting for the bathroom pass to come back.<br><br>
It's not a great set up for the teachers either, not that that excuses teachers refusing a child's request to go pee. At our local schools teachers arrive at 7:30 for "prep time" which is entirely filled with meetings, after which they have time to run back to the classroom and teach several 100-minute block classes with only 5 minute breaks between (that means it's not even enough time to get one class out the door and get the next class in, plus answer any questions students may have), bathroom time for the teacher? NO. Lunch is 30 minutes: 5 of that is getting students out the door to their lunch, 10-15 is getting whatever mail, copies, messages, MEETINGS!, and whatever else needs doing done, HOPEFULLY there will be 10 minutes to both run to the bathroom AND eat lunch before hot-footing back to class to meet the returning students and beginning the remaining 100-minute blocks. After class ends at 3:00 teachers must report for any remaining meetings. This schedule is loads of fun for my SIL (who DOES grant bathroom breaks, despite the times when it is wildly abused and she has to take the heat for it) who doesn't drink water all day except a few sips at lunch (if she gets any) so that she can hang in there for her bathroom run after being on her feet constantly and talking (do you know how dry your throat gets after lecturing for more than even one hour?) for the whole day. It's even better for her now that she's in her second trimester of her pregnancy.<br><br>
The system sucks for both teachers and students. The teachers take a lot of crap for perceived mismanagement of their time, which includes letting "too many" students go to the bathroom during class time. It doesn't matter that neither the teachers nor the students have realistic breaktime to accomplish this most basic of needs, it's all about ramming enough information at the students skulls to make it appear we are giving them a sound education, facts not withstanding.<br><br>
It's one more reason I was homeschooled and plan to homeschool.
 
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