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i swear i am the only person in my real-life network who is appalled by zoos. everyone either doesn't think about it or actually thinks we're doing other beings some sort of service by imprisoning them.<br>
anyone else? any book ideas specifically geared toward this?
 

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Count me in! I find zoos incredibly sad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> and i feel the same away about pet stores etc. most people think i'm nuts becuz of this but whatever, at least i know there is at least ONE other person in the world that feels the same way <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> !
 

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Oh yea count me in too. It makes me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> to see all those helps helpless animals in cages. I am a proud PETA member.<br>
You are mot the only one who feels this way<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Overall, I don't like the idea of zoo's. Some, however, are better then others.
 

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anti-zoo too...granted, i appreciate allowing children an opportunity to see animals in real life, but not at the expense of freedom. when i lived in namibia i was fortunate enough to travel to botswana where i took a mokoro trip (dug-out canoe) and camped and hiked in a <b>huge</b> (think size of texas) nature preserve. it was amazing to tread lightly among animals in their habitat. since then, i cannot in good consciousness go to a zoo. i remember so vividly tracking elephants by following their poo and turning around a group of trees to come upon giraffes with their necks in the sky....
 

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I hate them, too. I got talked into going a couple of years ago, and went even though I didn't want to. That'll be my last time. There's a gorilla there who's still haunting me. I can't stop thinking about him, all alone in that concrete cage. Horrible. I won't ever go back, but I know everyone is going to think I'm nuts/depriving my daughter.
 

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I don't necessarily agree with zoo's ( i do take my children there) but if it were not for zoo's breeding programs some species would not exist at all (b/c of habitat destruction, poaching etc.) Many people are only exposed to these issues b/c of zoo's. Just a different perspective.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
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i don't like them, either.<br>
we do have a nature preserve thingy here that people think of as a zoo. we do go there. but it's because it's a rehab, sort of. there are animals that, for whatever reason, can't survive in the wild. like wolves who people thought it would be cool to have a wolf for a pet, then realized it wasn't as cool as they thought it was. they are outside in as much of a natural habitat as they could make for them.<br><br>
so....it's not entirely OT-- but does anyone have the skinny on circuses? i have a bad feeling about those, too, and won't take my ds, but my mom thinks i am out of my mind. depriving him and all. i so wish i had concrete evidence of why i won't take him!<br><br>
and i SO wish cirque de soliel would come to town!<br><br>
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I give a thumbs down to circuses too, that involve animals <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">.
 

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I agree circuses with animals and zoos are a <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nono.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nono"> for us.
 

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Some zoos are certainly worse than others. here in the Little Rock, the zoo is awful. the cages are unkempt and the animals look as if they have pulled their own hair/fur/feathers out because of stress or anxiety. It is really sad. The gorilla (just one, which is so sad) had a dirty blanket he carried around for comfort. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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I'm torn over this. I hate the concept of them, and the animals being in cages, but do love animals. We went last year to the Toronto zoo- it's the only one I would go to so dd could see them. But I am torn on it.
 

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I am very anti-circuses (with animals) and Sea World-ish parks. But I am still ok with a conscientious zoo. I respect being anti-zoo, however. I can understand why a person would be.<br><br>
Dd's library class recently had a "circus" theme for a lesson. The teacher asked if they liked the circus, and I was worried that dd might chime in with one of my speeches about circuses <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bag.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Bag">:
 

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Here here! It's actually become a bit of a joke with my mom-friends.<br><br>
"Hey tomorrow's a free day at the zoo, you guys wanna go? -- Oh wait, I forgot about our conscientious objector..." That's what they call me.<br><br>
I went for the last time about seven years ago, and that was after a five year hiatus. I somehow convinced myself it wouldn't be as bad as I remembered. Only to find it was at least as bad as I remembered. I promised myself I'd never go again.<br><br>
The circus thing goes without saying...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some zoos are certainly worse than others. here in the Little Rock, the zoo is awful. the cages are unkempt and the animals look as if they have pulled their own hair/fur/feathers out because of stress or anxiety. It is really sad. The gorilla (just one, which is so sad) had a dirty blanket he carried around for comfort. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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I took my family to this zoo for the first time just last week and we noticed the same thing. It really upset us. I really wanted to take DS 10 monthes, because I knew he would love it, and he did, but at whos expence?I have only been to St Louis and San Deigo, both AWESOME zoos. I was telling DH just yesterday that if you are going to have a small zoo like LR, Instead of cramming alot of animals in nsmall spaces, be more selective of the breeds and have bigger and better habitats. It's not fair to them. It breaks my heart to see such proud animals, so demeaned in this situation.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Well... we don't go to most zoos. On the other hand, some are doing really great things in terms of conservation. Many zoos have played crucial roles in saving animals from extinction - when the last wild Arabian oryx was shot, the Phoenix zoo had the only breeding poopulation left, and they were eventually able to breed enough to reintroduce the oryx into their native habitat, where they now live and thrive in great numbers. That's just one example... the Phoenix Zoo (and the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, in Tucson) are both zoos with very few cages, and some animals have such large enclosures that you may not actually be able to see them some days...<br><br>
OTOH, we went to a zoo in Redding, California and walked out in tears... it was horrid. Just horrid. Tiny cages and sad, sad animals...<br><br>
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There are only some zoos that I feel are horrible like the DC Zoo and Frankfurt Zoo(DE) some zoos to me are not that bad some have huge open areas for them to roam. I did find it odd that the ZOO here in Germany was as bad as it is because Germans are known for thier LOVE for animals. This rino was in a small area and paced back and forth it upsett me.
 

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I have a very hard time with zoos and it is hard for others to understand... The last time we went I just felt so sad for that day and a couple of days afterwards. Some animals are there because they were injured and that can be wonderful. However, others are not and would seem to be much better off in the their natural habitats.<br><br>
Warm wishes,<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am very anti-circuses (with animals) and Sea World-ish parks. But I am still ok with a conscientious zoo. I respect being anti-zoo, however. I can understand why a person would be.<br><br>
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i would totally be proud of your daughter (and YOU!) for speaking up against the atrocity that is the circus! don't hide in the smilie bag, mama!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i would totally be proud of your daughter (and YOU!) for speaking up against the atrocity that is the circus! don't hide in the smilie bag, mama!</div>
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I agree, don't hide. Encourage your daughter to speak too! I love it when my oldest speaks up about things, it makesme proud!<br><br>
Namaste, Tara
 
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