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Hello wise mamas,

I've been digging around but can't find anything about this. A few weeks ago (almost two weeks ago) my dear cousin whom I love and care about deeply came down with mastitis the morning after her wedding and went straight to the ER (sigh). She can't remember the name of what it was but they gave her a shot of abx through muscle tissue and told her "no breastfeeding at all!"


Her baby is 5 mos old and they've already been doing rice cereal/arred food since 4 months which I know cut her supply down "this kid was nursing every hour!" she says. So she pumped and dumped out her milk for several days last week and baby was supplemented with Enfimil (double sigh).

Unfortunately she is such a huge believer in allopathic medicine so I wasn't sure anything I had to say would have any effect at all, much less I was looking around the floor for my jaw the whole time. I didn't even say try to nurse off the affected breast. Now, she says she's still on enfimil and only nurses for nap and bedtimes. At least that something. Mom is relieved b/c she wants to go back to work and I guess doens't want to bother with pumping (?) she's stressed and has PPD as well and I think can't wait to get out of the house. Baby is pretty high needs (tho she describes it as "she needs to learn independence from me"
) and I just wish I was there for her


I think her wedding planning plus high stress from high needs baby w/ no help (her Dh works long nights so he's sleeping during the day) made her a "great" candidate for mastitis. Her immune system isn't the best (she gets bronchitis every single winter)Anways, should i have told her, if she had called me right away instead of days later, to hell with the Drs and nurse off that boob as much as you can stand it? I know ABx screws up the flora system. Abx are not "awsome" drugs in my opinion.

Well, she loves her dd to peices (always wanted kids) but I just hate to see someone so close to me kowtow to the med industry. The damage is done and well, at least baby is nursing a few times a day. Sorry I'm rambling, I'm so pissed off abut the whole scenario -and what the hell kind of abx is so awful that you can't nurse your baby?
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IMO, there's lots of stuff one can do to fight mastitis (I had it once. I ate lots of yogurt and nursed babe like crazy lol). Abx should be the last recourse...

Again, sorry this post was rambly...6yo ds has been talking to me the whole time
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Wow, I developed mastitis after being in my sister's wedding... my dd was six months old.

I woke up in the middle of the night, so incredibly sick, hot and sweaty that I crawled to the thermostat, convinced someone had the heat on (In June). Then I figured maybe the two drinks I drank gave me a hangover, lol. The next morning, my fever skyrocketed even higher and my entire left side of my breast from pit to nipple was rock hard and bright red.

That evening, I went to Patient First (a walk-in clinic). They were TOTAL MORONS. I knew more about breastfeeding than the doctors!!! They were saying, "Don't you dare nurse her, you might give her septicemia (sp?)!" I was like, um, noooo, you need to nurse MORE on the breast to drain it! Where'd ya get your medical license from?

So I nursed her anyway, lol, and I heard the nurse stop the doctor outside my door in a panic: "You better get in there! She's NURSING that baby!!!" and they said something about me signing a waiver in case I poisoned her.


There I was, with a 104 fever, and even in my delirium I knew they were total idiots.

I got sent to our local ER, where I spent the night on IV antibiotics. Luckily, the doc and nurses were supportive of bf'ing and I even had dd sleeping in the little bed with me as she nursed.

It really depends on how bad mastitis is before you can judge whether to use abx or not... with a 103 + fever that kept climbing and delirium setting in, with the hardness and redness rapidly increasing... I hate to think what would have happened if I refused abx. But then if you simply have a small infection caused by a clogged duct, well, you can probably treat that successfully without abx at home.
 

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Thank you for the links. I think I'll send them to her under the pretext of "should you get this in the future..." as well as reminding her that she can call me anytime she needs to , period. Gawd if she got it again, and followed the jerk Dr's advice again, it would probably kill the remainder of the damaged breastfeeding relationship.

They could have at least given her something b-f'ing friendly. No - they had to shoot the mosquito with an elephant gun.
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oh, bushwah (as my dad would say.) i'm sorry they are doing this to her. when i got mastitis my ob (god bless him) knew that i knew damned well what mastitis was & wasn't, & called me in a scrip on my say-so (what new mother wants to drive with mastitis? not me!), a bfing friendly scrip i may add. cleared up a hideous case in a day. (it is horrid, isn't it?)

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It's rediculous how clueless doctors are. They have everything backwards. Drives me crazy!!!!! I just ache for the mothers' who have lost their breastfeeding relationships b/c of some DUMB doctor or nurse giving her BAD information!

And I just wanted to clear something up--MASTITIS is "inflamation of the breast tissue". That means it refers to both plugged ducts and breast infections. So if you have a breast infection, call it that so that docs/nurses/LLL know what you're dealing w/.
 

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I had mastitis (I always lived how "tit" was in that word, but maybe that's just me!
) when DS was 16 months old. In the space of 4 hours I went from a slightly painful breast (I thought I just woke up engorged) to 104+ fever, horrific pain, and drifting in and out of lucidness. It came on FAST with me.

So, I went to my obgyn and I got abx. And not all docs are idiots - I already knew this, but she reminded me to nurse as much as I could on the affected side. She did say that if it hurt too much to nurse on that side, I could pump, but that it won't be as affective as just nursing.

But with those abx, I felt better within 24 hours! I never want to go through that again! If I get it that badly again, I'd get the abx again! (Along with nursing that side.)
 

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In the space of 4 hours I went from a slightly painful breast (I thought I just woke up engorged) to 104+ fever, horrific pain, and drifting in and out of lucidness. It came on FAST with me.
I was the same way. I had it about 10 times (with every tooth DD cut) until my OB and I figured out what was causing it.

Can I share my horrible doctor story? My ob knew how much I wanted to keep nursing, but was also concerned when I kept getting sick. She sent me to a breast specialist for ultrasound and further treatment. This breast specialist asked me "just how long was I planning to nurse", and I told her at least 2-3 years. She told me that weaning was the only thing that would stop my mastitis, so I'd better consider weaning sooner rather than later. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't nursing the ONLY use for breasts??? And why wouldn't a breast specialist try to help a gal USE breasts for their intended purpose??? The next case I had, I called her for antibiotics, but she wouldn't call them in for me. She also wouldn't make time on her schedule to see me for another 5 days. I called my ob in tears, she called me in a scrip, and I felt better within a couple of days. That's my horrible doctor story!

When I told my ob my suspicion that my DD's saliva changed ph when she was teething, she suggested swabbing DD's mouth with a hydrogen peroxide solution daily, and guess what? No more mastitis! That's my good doctor story, and I'll love my ob for that (among other things) forever!


So sorry your cousin had such a lousy experience.
to her!
 

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wow, Nicole, that's an awesome story--of healing, not your horrible doc story. I think the "breast specialist" is mostly trained in cancer and illness type stuff, not lactation, although it seems if you're a "specialist" in the field, lactation would be your specialty too!? I'm confusing myself here...

Anyway, I love the peroxide idea. I haven't heard that before--I'll have to tuck that away in my brain cells somewhere... Thanks!

Yes, I too had horrible horrible breast infection w/ Lily and it took a few days for the meds to kick in. The experience made me go into PP anxiety, and it was the worst experience of my life. My mantra during that time was "I'm NEVER doing this (having a baby) again!" For some reason that kept me going...????

Lily's been my "learning experience" baby. I got breast infection, several plugged ducts, never-ending thrush, I'm sure I'm leaving something out. I'm not anxious to do the "baby thing" again for a L-O-N-G time!

ANYWAY, I wanted to say that I had an awesome CNM who I could call and get prescriptions from very easily. I had heard from my LLL Leader that there had been instances of mothers being denied meds from their docs for breast infections. Have you heard anything so crazy?? Well, I guess you have, Nicole! I just will never understand the medical profession.....
 

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I also had recurrent mastitis (over 10 times as well- we never found the cause of it, but as DS got older and nursed less, it seems to have faded away- fingers crossed!) and ended up seing a breast specialist. However, I guess I was one of the lucky ones, as once I made it clear that the mastitis was not going to effect how long I was going to nurse, no one suggested it again and were very supportive when I phrased it as "It is not the breastfeeding that is the problem- that is what is the natural function of breasts- its the mastitis that is a sickness that needs to be treated." My ob was always willing to help and never mentioned the "w" word. He was patient and wonderful and sensitive and always perscribed appropriate antibiotics and encouraged me to educate myself and talk to other breastfeeding specialists (he actually called the local lactation consultant and asked her to call me to give me pointers...) and recommended LLL. I wish there were more doctors like him.

That is the key, I think. Find a good doctor!
 

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yes, abx are OK for nursing for crying out loud. There are very few meds not compatible with BF.
Remember though, perception....women have their own perceptions based on what they want to hear. in other words, you can only go by fact: abx are fine with BF. and not on someone's interprettation of their medical care. Yes, the doc's may have been ill informed (highly likely!) but IMO ( as an LC) women also hear what they want to hear.
 

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I'm thinking too that, between my beloved cousin's dd being a high needs baby, and having no help, that she kind of took "no breastfeeding " and ran with it as a way of "getting a break". I got an email yesterday and she mentioned dd was still on enfimil and it's as if she knows I disapprove and is seaking my approval?? And on the phone she kept saying " and I feel bad but..."

I'm trying very hard to be understanding of the whole situation and not judge her. She's always wanted kids and didn't bargain for it being so hard (maybe it's universal that each of our own kids is "harder" than other people's kids lol) I got her a subscription to mothering magazine as a baby birthday gift, although I didn't expect her to jump on an AP bandwagon there's always good bf advice , etc.

I still want to
That ER Dr.
 

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I had severe mastitis a weeks after the birth. I had to be hospitalized with intravenous antibiotics, but I made sure to ask them for a type that is compatible with breastfeeding (they exist!). I also fought to keep my son in hospital with me (at first they wouldn't let me because 'he is not sick'
: ). Ds had a slight tummy upset from the antibiotics but nothing serious.

My cousin OTOH wasn't so well informed and she was also told to stop breastfeeding when she needed antibiotics for breastfeeding (her son was just a newborn). She was extremely upset, even more so when she found out (much later when it was too late) that there ARE antibiotics that are fine when breastfeeding.
 

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We still live in a non-breastfeeding friendly country (USA). I remember a few months ago she asked if it was illegal to nurse in public in FL b/c she was in the waiting room at her ped's office and the receptionist saw her digging around for her boob and said "There's a back room you can do that in"
: I told her right then and there about the NIP laws that protect breastfeeding moms. There's just so much misinformation out there, it's true. I am so depressed now lol.
 

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Wow. Sad she got so much bad information.

Abx can be a miracle drug. Last baby I had mastitis and my ND (also my midwife
) first had me on homeopathy and then herbs or something. Nothing worked and I got sooooo sick. I snuck to an MD and got abx and felt better. I was praising god for the abx!

Also, with so much stress for that poor mama, she needs to do whatever will help avoid her mild ppd from getting worse. I just hope bottles doesn't prove to make her life even harder with the possibility of more illness, rashes, upset tummy etc.

Why don't doctors learn the correct information before they hand out advice!
 
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