Mothering Forum banner

antibiotics question

1040 Views 30 Replies 9 Participants Last post by  pumpkinhead
My 7 month old has been sick the last week. He started by just grumpiness then a fever came along. Then not eating as well, trouble sleeping, and I noticed rapid breathing. I took him to the docs today and found out he has viral pneumonia. They prescribed an antibiotic, Augmentin, for it. I hate antibiotics, but he is having difficulty and I hate to see him sick. So, without sounding like I do not want to treat him, cause I very much do, is the augmentin really needed and if so, what do I give him when the course is done to reinstate his amount of healthy gut bacteria?
1 - 20 of 31 Posts
Antibiotics are for bacteria and don't work for viruses. I would ask the doctor why she/he wants your baby to take an antibiotic for a virus.
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverinbluejeans
Antibiotics are for bacteria and don't work for viruses. I would ask the doctor why she/he wants your baby to take an antibiotic for a virus.

Antibiotics are useless against viruses and work only against bacteria!!! I'd do some heavy questioning of your Ped if I were you!
See less See more
Since he's so little they may be giving it to prevent secondary bacterial infection. You are wise to watch his gut flora because Augmentin is one of the worst offenders where that is concerned.
http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/Q&A/20045nh2.htm
I was pretty hesitant. I did pick it up in case of a secondary infection. I am pretty new, in fact very new, to homeopathic treatment of illnesses. Is there anything I can do for him? I forgot to mention that they did one of those tests for how oxygenated he was and it came back a little on the low side. Of course, as a mother this bothered me. So, what can do for him and where can I get it in a hurry. I live in a small town that is 80 miles away from the next one and I rarely get to go anywehre, so I would have to get it online.
P.S. If the antibioitics are a prophylaxis, you might want to look into a good kiddie probiotic prep! Babydophilus and Siso make non-dairy preps for kiddos!
If you want to do homeopathy you can get overnight remedies from 1-800-Dolisos. Do you have any books to help you choose a remedy?

As a Ped RN, the doc should have done more than antibiotics if his oxygen saturation was low. What else was prescribed?

PM me, if you want, Michelle
Just make sure that the probiotics you get are the kind meant to be kept refrigerated!
Quote:

Originally Posted by fourgrtkidos
If you want to do homeopathy you can get overnight remedies from 1-800-Dolisos. Do you have any books to help you choose a remedy?

As a Ped RN, the doc should have done more than antibiotics if his oxygen saturation was low. What else was prescribed?

PM me, if you want, Michelle
I have a book I got from my library. I will go look at it now. I am not really sure what to even decide on. Thanks for that number. If anyone has any ideas on what to give him or where to research it I would sooo appreciate it. I am getting to whre I REALLY am not too fond of mainstream medicine. That was also the only script he gave.
Well, the book I have only mentions it to say if you suspect it to get immediate medical attention. So, if anyone can point me anywehre online I can do the research, I would be very grateful.

Oh, and the sound in his lungs is louder today than it was yesterday, which really worries me.
I just wanted to add that I am afraidd to give him the antibiotics, but I am also afraid not to. I have not given it to him. It is not that I am fiding what I learn here hard to beleive, I do beleive it. But there is still some of that deeply entrenched mainstream voice in thre saying, "But this doc is trained in this and you are an undecated mother who is paranoid. He would not lead you astray". My childs health is of the utmost importance to me and I am just so scared for his little lungs. So, I REALLLLLLLLLLLY would appreciate help on what I can give my ds to clear this up. Thanks. I am also going to cal another doc in my area that I have been considering taking my kids to and asking what he would prescribe in the situation.
Gidget,
I am sorry that your babe is sick. My girl also had pnemonia in the winter and I did a round of antibiotics (Zitromax). I was also really hesitant to do it but boy am I ever glad I did. Pnemonia is really scary, and even my Chinese doctor who I really trust said that in some cases (like pnemonia) the immune system needs immediate help and anitbiotics does the job. I am such an anti-mainstream medicine advocate but in this case I would suggest doing the dose. I combined it with probiotics and was told later that I should have used the homeopathic remedy Phosporus as well as alternately scrub her chest and sinuses with hot and cold cloths (to bring blood and circulation to the area which is stagnant). Eucalyptus oil diluted and rubbed on her chest was also suppose to be helpful. Finally, my DD wouldn't eat other than breastmilk throughout but I made a soup broth with hearty veggies and miso broth and fed them to my girl through an eye dropper in her sleep. She slept a lot.
I wish you and your child well,
lovetomom
See less See more
There is some good advice here.

Boost her immune system with vitamin C - lots of it. Bronson has powdered vitamin C in sodium ascorbate and calcium ascorbate powdered forms. Also get continental yoghurt with the full bacteria to replace the bacteria that the antibiotic kills.
4
Quote:

Originally Posted by lovetomom
Gidget,
I am sorry that your babe is sick. My girl also had pnemonia in the winter and I did a round of antibiotics (Zitromax). I was also really hesitant to do it but boy am I ever glad I did. Pnemonia is really scary, and even my Chinese doctor who I really trust said that in some cases (like pnemonia) the immune system needs immediate help and anitbiotics does the job.
It is always scary when our babies are sick! But illness really isn't something that we should fear. Easier said than done, I know
.

Pnemonia is a scary word, esp when you're told that your very young babe has it. The problem here is that there are quite a few different types of pnemonia. There are several bacteria that cause this condition as well as several viruses. For bacterial pnemonia, I would not even HESITATE to give my child antibiotics. Viral pnemonia is a completely different animal! Viruses do NOT respond to antibiotic treatment, AT ALL! So, not only does this little immune system have to contend with this virus, it also has to deal with the loss of it's gut flora, which is a first line of defense against invading pathogens!

Gidget, is your baby breastfed? IF so, this is fantastic! It means that he has a continual source of gut flora renewal!! It also means he's getting lots of antibodies from you! Does he have a fever? Is he eating well and is otherwise happy?

I know what you're struggling with here! It's pretty hard to set aside a lifetime of trusting what the doctors tell you overnight. I was raised this way. "The Doctors are smarter than us and they know what's best for us! They would never do anything to hurt us". It's still hard for me, even now to question this. i think you should do what your heart tells you to. The antibiotics are probably not going to do irreversable harm to your babe (but be aware that Augmentin is a pretty powerful ab and contains penicillan and some kids can be allergic to this!).

As a parent, it makes me feel better if I am 'giving' my son something! I feel like I am taking an active role in his recovery instead of trusting his immune system to do it's job. Does your son eat solids yet? You could give him some fish oil (halibut if possible and you can get it in strawberry flavour now
) to help boost his immune system. Arabinogalactan (from larch) is a good one as well. Vit C (sodium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid or calcium ascorbate!) helps too! There are lots of fruit and veggie sources of vit C as well, if your son is eating solids!

As a Mama, you need to do what your heart tells you to do. It prob doesn't matter which route you go, if you're anything like me, you'll question your descision either way! Telling a Mama not to worry is like telling the sun not to shine
s. It's agonizing!!

If you already have the perscription, it prob won't do much harm to give it 24-48 hours and see if there's any improvement before starting the ab. If you do decide to give him the script, please PLEASE be sure that he finishes the medication! THe worst thing to do is to start a course of antibiotics and then stop mid-way thru! This contributes to antibiotic resistance, and if your kiddo ever needs this same ab again, it may not work.

I hope he (and you) are feeling better soon!
s
See less See more
Pneumonia is pneumonia. My son had pneumonia and I didn't think twice about the antibiotic, but then again my choices where hospital or injectible antibiotic in his legs. I had a nursing 7 mo old at the time too. I opted for the injections and he felt better within 16 hours. The ped call me everyday over that weekend b/c if the injectible antibiotic didn't work, i was going to have to have him admitted for IV antibiotics. Boy am I glad the injectible worked like a charm.

So, while I do not remember what type of pneumonia they said he had, if they even did. I knew it was serious b/c of his fever and lethargic behavior and in this case I did not question the course of treatment. (usually I do)

Research pneumonia first and they actual course of the disease. If you still have reservations about the course of treatment call you doctor. Augmentin while very strong, maybe what he needed to avoid hospitalization. But then again maybe a less potent would be fine.

Trust your instincts.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electra375
So, while I do not remember what type of pneumonia they said he had, if they even did. I knew it was serious b/c of his fever and lethargic behavior and in this case I did not question the course of treatment. (usually I do)
Any and every time my son is ill, whether he has a cold virus, the flu or an ear infection, this is how he behaves as well. There is a reason that children get fevers and there is also a reason why they make them lethargic. The fever is the body's way of trying to kill off an invading pathogen. The lethargy keeps the child still so that the body can focus it's energies on getting rid of what's causing the illness. While this is alarming for a parent used to seeing an energetic child always at play, it's not a bad thing and shouldn't be feared.

Types of pneumonia can be like types of broken legs. Some are more severe than others and some are more aggressive than others. The bottom line is that antibotics, IV, IM oral or otherwise won't do ANYTHING to combat the virus that causes viral pneumonia. If the antibiotics are meant as a prophylaxis against secondary infection, that's different, but the ab's aren't actually treating the initial condition.

Good advice!

Quote:
Trust your instincts.
See less See more
Thanks everone. Yep, baby is breastfed. Can the doc actually tell if the pneumonia came from a virus or is this the assumption when there are signs of cold or flu? I ask because he has been sick for a week now. Sometime last week I gave him tylenol for his discomfort and he had just eaten. He gagged, threw up some and was throwing up more and trying to gain his breath. So I am suspecting that it may have been actually caused by inhaling some of the milk he was trying to throw up. I still have not given him the antibiotics. The doc wants to see him on Friday. He seems to be breathing a LITTLE better today. THere is some rise to his chest and the breathe is a bit deeper.
Did they do any labwork or was it just a physical exam?
Both. And he also tried to get an x-ray but Mister Isaac was not going to make it easy.
fyi. my daughters pnemonia (which I don't think can be compared to colds, flus, ear infections) was tested using bacterial cultures, blood work and xrays. The blood work and bacterial cultures came back negative indicating that it wasn't bacterial. For that reason I also postponed using antibiotics. Nothing seemed to be improving. When we had the xray and the pnemonia was seen, the doctor told me that they couldn't be sure whether it was viral or bacterial and that some baterial infections don't show up on the tests. The antibiotics worked dramatically within the day, and I am glad I used them.
1 - 20 of 31 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top