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I am the only one I know. DD was very far descended from my pushing for 3 hours, and due to her crashing and my uterus suffering from extreme fatigue(no longer contracting) I had to have a true emergency c/s. Due to her being so far down I had to have a T done internally which is pretty rare, and mine is very fragile because of the scar. So I am 14.5 wks pregnant and I have been having pretty bad pain the last few days, like pulling/cramping on my left side. Which is where I have had some issues since DD's birth(I pushed her into the left side of my pelvis, and that's where she got stuck). Does anyone else have something similar. does this pain last the entire pregnancy? Anyone?
 

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I will have a t-incision after this c/s. I had my uterus reconstructed almost 6 years ago due to a birth defect and now have an incision that goes up the front of the uterus, across the fundus and down the back. It's possible that you're feeling the pulling of some adhesions from your c/s. Have you ever been diagnosed with fibroids? I have one larger one on the left and experienced some cramping, pulling on that left side off and on.

You mention that the scar was very fragile - is there a particular reason you say this? Since it's been over 2 years since your surgery, I think you've had a good amount of time for the scar to heal.

I did a lot of research on outcomes with women who'd had my surgery, and while the main challenge is the lack of women who've had this surgery, the outcomes are very good. While it's not the same as a t-incision, maybe that's a little bit reassuring to you.

I do know a woman who had a t-incision on the ICAN forum when I was on there a few years ago. I might be able to track her down if that would be of help to you.
 

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I would visit the ICAN website and see if they have any info
 

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I did look at ICAN I couldn't find any info on there about T-incisions specifically.

I think that mine is actually a T with a hook on the left side. It was extremely difficult to get DD unstuck in her position, she was pretty far to the left. I believe part of my problem with her birth was also the fact that I broke my tailbone when I was 20 and she got "hung up" on that. Every push she would descend and then just retract a bit, like something was keeping her from getting out, this was with differing positions and a 30 hour labor.

My Dr who is a very wonderful Dr was pretty grave about my incision, he told me that many women with a typical bikini incision have great successful VBAC(this has been a VBAC hospital, and women I know have had them here). He said due to the nature of my incision and the way he had to reattach everything my scar is much more fragile than the majority of women with c/s scars. I do have a higher chance of uterine rupture because of my scar. Time isn't a factor in this, it is because of the nature of my scar.

I feel like it may be an adhesion or something of that nature. I have never had fibroids, it has been this stabbing pain and I can feel my incision stretching and pulling, so it may just be something that I have to deal with. Thanks for the replies.
 

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My Dr who is a very wonderful Dr was pretty grave about my incision, he told me that many women with a typical bikini incision have great successful VBAC(this has been a VBAC hospital, and women I know have had them here). He said due to the nature of my incision and the way he had to reattach everything my scar is much more fragile than the majority of women with c/s scars. I do have a higher chance of uterine rupture because of my scar. Time isn't a factor in this, it is because of the nature of my scar.
I had a lot of stretching/pulling/itching sensation in the area of my horizontal scar (which is skin only, not the uterus) with my first 2 pregnancies, although they both ended at 10 weeks, so I don't know what it would've felt like further along. This time, I've felt more stretching/pulling at my laparoscopy belly button scar but not so much my horizontal scar.

From what I've read, yes you do have an increased risk of rupture with that particular type of scar and yes, the odds of finding a care provider willing to do a VBAC are slim, and for me personally, I'm not sure that I would risk it, but I don't know enough one way or the other. I think the challenge that you run into, like me, is that there aren't a whole lot of women with t-incisions, so there isn't a whole lot of information out there.

In terms of your scar being fragile, I can only offer from what I've read and heard along my own journey. No doc can really know how a scar has healed or the strength of it. The tricky thing with scars is that they're strong, but they lack mobility. They're designed to keep together what has been taken apart and the types of fibers that form scar tissue are quite strong, but their "weakness" is lack of elasticity. Which when it comes to labor and contractions can be a liability.

I had one doc who wanted me to do steroid injections at 24 weeks in case I ruptured, I had another doc tell me my uterus would "split wide open" if I had a single contraction. Unfortunately, none of the the docs I have consulted with have been willing to look at the research I compiled that shows that a small number of women have indeed had a vaginal birth after the surgery I had and that none of them ruptured. Does this mean there isn't an increased risk of rupture? No, but I definitely don't believe a contraction is going to split my uterus wide open.

I think the majority of docs really do believe that having an unusual scar is a huge risk. They're scared and they're wanting the best outcomes and have to be mindful of covering their assets so to speak. I don't fault them for that, but I also think their actual knowledge of unusual scars isn't great because they have such a reactive approach to them. They're not going to risk finding out how a classical scar or a t-incision or a myomectomy scar reacts under the stress of labor when in their minds it's a no-brainer to do a c/s and avoid any risk of rupture.

All of that to say, I don't think your risk of rupture during pregnancy is any higher than mine. I would imagine, if anything, it's lower, because your incision is lower (depending on how high up the vertical portion went) and the lower part of the uterus isn't stretching and expanding as much during the pregnancy.

I did stumble across this website when I googled "t incision cesarean". It looks like they have a yahoo group for women with inverted t-incisions and some research results. Hope that's of help.
 

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My Dr who is a very wonderful Dr was pretty grave about my incision, he told me that many women with a typical bikini incision have great successful VBAC(this has been a VBAC hospital, and women I know have had them here). He said due to the nature of my incision and the way he had to reattach everything my scar is much more fragile than the majority of women with c/s scars. I do have a higher chance of uterine rupture because of my scar. Time isn't a factor in this, it is because of the nature of my scar.
I had a lot of stretching/pulling/itching sensation in the area of my horizontal scar (which is skin only, not the uterus) with my first 2 pregnancies, although they both ended at 10 weeks, so I don't know what it would've felt like further along. This time, I've felt more stretching/pulling at my laparoscopy belly button scar but not so much my horizontal scar.

From what I've read, yes you do have an increased risk of rupture with that particular type of scar. Also, the odds of finding a care provider willing to do a VBAC are slim, and for me personally, I'm not sure that I would risk it, but I don't know enough one way or the other. I think the challenge that you run into, like me, is that there aren't a whole lot of women with t-incisions, so there isn't a whole lot of information out there.

In terms of your scar being fragile, I can only offer from what I've read and heard along my own journey. No doc can really know how a scar has healed or the strength of it. The tricky thing with scars is that they're strong, but they lack mobility. They're designed to keep together what has been taken apart and the types of fibers that form scar tissue are quite strong, but their "weakness" is lack of elasticity. Which when it comes to labor and contractions can be a liability. Keep in mind though that there is a difference between a true uterine rupture (defined as a full-thickness separation of the uterine wall and the overlying tissue) and uterine scar dehiscence (separation of a preexisting scar that does not disrupt the overlying visceral peritoneum (uterine serosa) and that does not significantly bleed from its edges). From what I've read, most "ruptures" with a previous scar involved are uterine scar dehiscence (very rarely has a catastrophic outcome) vs. a true rupture.

I had one doc who wanted me to do steroid injections at 24 weeks in case I ruptured, I had another doc tell me my uterus would "split wide open" if I had a single contraction. Unfortunately, none of the the docs I have consulted with have been willing to look at the research I compiled that shows that a small number of women have indeed had a vaginal birth after the surgery I had and that none of them ruptured. Does this mean there isn't an increased risk of rupture? No, but I definitely don't believe a contraction is going to split my uterus wide open.

I think the majority of docs really do believe that having an unusual scar is a huge risk. They're scared and they're wanting the best outcomes and have to be mindful of covering their assets so to speak. I don't fault them for that, but I also think their actual knowledge of unusual scars isn't great because they have such a reactive approach to them. They're not going to risk finding out how a classical scar or a t-incision or a myomectomy scar reacts under the stress of labor when in their minds it's a no-brainer to do a c/s and avoid any risk of rupture.

All of that to say, I don't think your risk of rupture during pregnancy is any higher than mine. I would imagine, if anything, it's lower, because your incision is lower (depending on how high up the vertical portion went) and the lower part of the uterus isn't stretching and expanding as much during the pregnancy.

I did stumble across this website when I googled "t incision cesarean". It looks like they have a yahoo group for women with inverted t-incisions and some research results. Hope that's of help.
 

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I'm surprised ICAN doesn't have more info...

I'm a VBACer but with a bikini cut and I've been reading up on hw taking EPO (evening primrose oil) and fish oil help to soothe and elastisize the skin inscluding the area of the incision. some say taking vitamin E help too... my Chiropractor recommended i rub vitamin E on my skin on the scar b/c it soaks through. maybe this would help ease the pain and give the scar some stretch.

please do research these things before taking my advise though, b/c I wouldn't want to lead you ina direction that wasn't right for you.
 

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Oh I don't believe that pregnancy will cause me to split. I am trying to find out what is going on with my side. Ido know that around 14-15 weeks that relaxin really kicks in and many women w/out any c/s history even have pulling and stretching pains at this time. I just get thsi stabbing pain at times, and it hurts pretty badly.

I am not attempting to vbac, after my dr taking my DH aside and telling him what he had to do and that it would be dangerous to me and our baby, he just would never go for it. I just feel like there are so little resources for anyone with this type of a scar. Anyone I know who has a c/s never had anything like this. It's just not a very regular thing that is done.

I am fine with having another c/s it is my last, I am done having children after this baby. I just wish that I could figure out what to do for this weird pain, I think I may have to call my Dr and talk to her. Thanks.
 

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Gotcha - sorry for my information overload


Even though the yahoo group on the website I linked to might be more VBAC oriented, at least it's a group of women with similar incisions that may be able to share their pregnancy experiences with you.

Best of luck with your pregnancy and birth!
 
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