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I'm not sure if I'm one. Politically, on social issues I'm fairly libertarian and economically, I'm close to socialist. Religiously, I grew up admiring the liberation theologists of the Catholic Church (and left the Catholic Church in part due to their attempt to distance themselves from those teachings), and now have joined the Episcopal church looking for a more progressive Christianity.
 

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"Just like the word "christianity" itself, the words "anarchy," "anarchism" and "anarchist" are abused terms. They are abused so often by the media, state historians and government officials that, by not fault of her own, the average person on the street only thinks of chaos, terrorists and random violence when the term anarchist comes up.<br>
Anarchism is a rich and powerful critique of modern society that Christians have at our fingertips. We do not wish to confuse Christianity with anarchism but we do believe that when Christianity is lived rightly it looks a lot like anarchism. The two are not the same thing but that does not mean they are mutually exclusive." -<a href="http://www.jesusradicals.com" target="_blank">www.jesusradicals.com</a>
 

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I firmly believe that God had intended to govern, obviously. But when the 12 tribes formed, they proceeded to form their own gov. and thus God had cursed all governments. I believe that God has allowed Satan control of our Governments because of that curse. Read Jacques Ellul's Anarchy and christianity. Amazing!<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul</a><br><br>
When I have some time tonight (DC are sleep), I'll post some biblical references to back my beliefs up <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br><br>
You cannot serve 2 masters!
 

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Count me in. Dh and I consider ourselves rational anarchists though. I don't want to live stuck in a pipe-dream, but I seek liberty wherever possible. Yeah Jesus Radicals, though- good stuff!<br><br>
-Nicole
 

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I don't know if I'm one either but it might be because I hate to catogorize myself into anything. I am European and I consider myself a democratic socialist and I vote for a christian democratic party (I know, a lot of categories for someone that doesn't like to be categorized).<br><br>
I went to a jesuist university and I love how liberal and "lefty" they can be. I also love the liberation theologists. One of my economic professor was a very socialist jesuist priest (love him!).<br><br>
I'll keep watching this thread.
 

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I am a Christian Anarchist.<br><br>
The definition of Christian Anarchism I know is that God's laws are the natural ones that are effective at keeping order among humans. Any structure imposed by humans is flawed, and not as good as God's, and therefore problematic.<br><br>
In addition, I personally believe that human governments have been interfering with our free will. God intends for us all to choose our own course of action, accepting that there are consequences -- both good and bad -- for our choices. Our governments advertise themselves to us by saying that they will protect us from the negative consequences of our choices. The trade off is that those of us who made successful choices are taxed to help those who made bad choices. The fact that this system exists means there is little incentive to research our choices and avoid risk. Our risks are transferred to everyone in the society. So, without negative consequences to encourage good choices, our societies are tending towards more and more bad choices.
 

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exactly!<br>
As I had posted earlier, Gods plan was no longer carried out after the israelities formed the 12 tribes. Thus, I personally believe a "curse" was placed.<br>
In Luke 4:5-7, Jesus was tempted by Satan. Satan told Jesus that he could have all of their authority and splendor (after leading him up to a high point over looking all the kingdoms), that it was given to him and he could give it to anybody he wants.<br><br><br>
I don't vote. I don't believe in the system so it just doesn't make since. I guess I could vote and write in jesus or something <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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hip_mama, do you have a MySpace account? I have a blog entry about voting, called Decision Making System. Please check it out. I don't know if you need an account to look at blogs.<br><br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/ladylilya" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/ladylilya</a>
 

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Wow! This tribe describes exactly how I grew up! People always thought I was insane when Ide say that my parents were "Christian Anarchists" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Im glad Im not the only "crazy" one.<br><br>
My parents had spent a lot of time in Africa and Europe, as medical missionaries. I think that they picked up a different meaning of anarchy than what we, as Americans, usually view it as. The european view is not about "no government" but more about "not our current government." Make sense?<br><br>
This is great. I wish my step mom would join in on this. She has a lot of great things to say.
 

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I just think we do fine with natural laws (ie. natural consequences) and don't need a powerful centralized structure to monitor our behavior in detail. If a member of a community behaves badly, the community can have a talk with him, threaten to shun him, actually expel him, etc. This kind of natural consequence tends to keep people in line.<br><br>
Our current government does its best to have a monopoly on this type of ability. You can be punished for taking anything upon yourself to do. If you shoot an intruder in your home, you are risking punishment. If you screen people you transact with to avoid those who might be problematic, you are risking punishment.<br><br>
A friend of mine talks about how if you have a small business, you should avoid having employees, and instead make contracts with people to do the tasks you need. If they are your employee, then you are responsible for any bad things they do. If you refuse to hire someone with a questionable background, like an ex-con, you can be penalized. If you hire him and any sort of problem arises, you will be publicly crucified for having hired him in the first place.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">hip_mama, do you have a MySpace account? I have a blog entry about voting, called Decision Making System. Please check it out. I don't know if you need an account to look at blogs.<br><br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/ladylilya" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/ladylilya</a></div>
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I loved it! I thought it was great how you compared voting to playing poker. I never really looked at it like that before but am glad to see others share my view.
 

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This is great. I wish my step mom would join in on this. She has a lot of great things to say.</div>
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I hope she does. I would love to learn more.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hola.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hola">:<br><br>
It is nice to know that I am not alone in my thinking too.<br>
I must go but will be back soon, just wanted to say hi.<br><br>
Has anyone read "The Irresistable Revolution" by Shane Claibourne?<br>
He 'gets' it, very inspiring read. I highly recommend it.
 

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Has anyone read "The Irresistable Revolution" by Shane Claibourne?<br>
He 'gets' it, very inspiring read. I highly recommend it.</div>
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This is one of my favorite books! His intentional community (the simple way) is doing some amazing things. We are in the process of transitioning into an intentional community similar to the simple way. Im super excited but really scared at the same time. DH and I have been Urban missionaries for over a year now but we don't really live with anybody. but in Aug. there will be 30 of us all living together with the same purpose. exciting!
 

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I was going to write that I have a friend who does this. Then I saw this...<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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HE'S my friend who always votes for Jesus!!! Anway, I'm always on the lookout for other Christian anarchists. I wrote a major paper on college on the topic that particularly looked at Ellul and his vision, as well as Christian traditions such as liberationt theology and the Quakers who opperate on a consesus model. I've been sold ever since!<br><br>
PS: I love the Psalters!
 

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It's always nice to meet a fellow Psalters fan <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/heartbeat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="heartbeat">
 

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There is an annual Conference going on in Aug.<br>
I cut and paste for you from my email.<br>
I did register but it looks as if its just going to be me going for 1 night and dh will be staying home with dc. Im trying to get a friend of mine to come (Natalya<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">: I know your reading this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> ) but babysitters are hard to come by for an over night type thing. I hope DS will be ok. He will be exactly 2 that month and he is still nursing. It'll only be 1 night but 2 days. I hope it goes well.<br>
COME!!! Im planning on tenting it up! You can stay with me!<br><br><br><br><i>Anarchism & Christianity Conference<br>
Loras College - Dubuque, Iowa<br>
August 10-11, 2007<br><br>
Peace is more than the absence of war. It more than the temporary restraint of physical abuse and goes beyond the end of human oppression. In this year's fifth annual conference, we will explore the wide implications of our struggle for peace from an anarchist and Christian perspective. We will discuss what it means to seek peace with our neighbors and enemies, peace in our backyards and overseas, peace with the environment and the animals that roam within it.<br><br>
Confirmed sessions include Anarchism & Christianity: A Primer, Practical Ecology, Biblical Narrative of Peace, Peace with Animals: Consequences of Factory Farming and Contemporary Anarchisms. Other sessions are currently being planned,<br><br>
Conference registration will be available at the beginning of April at conference.jesusradicals.com. For now, be sure and save the date.<br><br>
See you in August,<br>
Conference Planning Squad<br>
Nekeisha Alexis-Baker, Kaleb Kroger, Eric Anglada & Brenna Cussen<br><a href="http://www.jesusradicals.com" target="_blank">www.jesusradicals.com</a></i>
 

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Ooo, I've heard of this conference! I had friends attend a similar one in NYC a few years back--perhaps it's the same? Anyway, it looks great, but there is no way I could get to Iowa in August. $$ is very tight this summer, and we are only taking two trips, one with each side of the family. You'll have to report back to this thread, though! I'd love to hear all about it!
 
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