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I'm lonely! All of the Christian women in my life are VERY traditional in terms of gender roles. I am an egalitarian (in terms of marriage roles) who believes that I am created in the image of God, and therefore God(ess) must have qualities that are best expressed via the feminine. My emerging understanding of the Sacred Feminine <i>as well as</i> the the Sacred Masculine (which Christianity does a wonderful job of expressing) has left me hungry for other women to talk to who are on a similar journey. Are you out there?<br><br>
PS: I've recently read the Dance of the Dissident Daughter by Sue Monk Kidd, which has stirred this all up!
 

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Yes and no.<br><br>
I really don't know how to describe it.<br>
I consider myself a submitted wife. But I don't believe I am one bit less than my husband. I do believe in gender roles to a certain extent. But we negotiated our roles with each other before we married (and continually renegotiate) it wasn't "arbitrary"<br><br>
Right now we are renegotiating because I feel I am doing too many things that he would be better suited for and it is interfering with my mothering. I'm not OK with that. I kinda feel like he's taking advantage of me because I'm making all the financial decisions and I just don't have the energy for it.<br><br>
In this case I believe I am hindering him from becoming the man God wants him to be because he isn't having to lean on God. He's leaning on me. SO more and more I'm telling him "you're going to have to handle this. Let me know what you decide"<br><br>
I'm kinda pushing us back into more traditional roles. Because that's what I need right now. I need to focus on our children. So where does that put me?<br><br><br>
You can find some great reading on it <a href="http://adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com/tag/on-women/" target="_blank">here</a><br><br>
God's currently called Molly to a different project, but she's left her archives up. Good thing because I could not digest it all at once.<br><br>
I do believe the "church" has suppressed knowledge of women in the early church. I am also fascinated by wisdom being feminine. But I haven't taken as much time as I would like to research it.
 

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Whimsy, thanks for your reply. I guess there are terms to be clarified, as always, right? By "feminist" <i>I personally</i> don't mean that there is no difference between men and women at all, but I do believe that our gender should not determine our destiny. So, in our family, my husband is the better cook, so he primarily does that (a traditional female job) but he is also better with the finances (a traditional male job) so he does that. I guess I see gender as a spectrum, and we have to be willing to live in the fluidity of that. Some women are cut out to be the tradition stay-at-home mom who bakes cookies and irons her husbands shirts (just to throw out an old stereotype)--I really know some women who THRIVE in that setting! But I also know women who would just about die if that's what their husbands are expecting them to do--some women are cut out to be CEO's and presidents and priests, and some men are wonderful home-makers. I guess my vision of a "feminist" world is where men and women are both free to be themselves, whether that looks traditional or not.<br><br>
It sounds like you and your dh are working on roles based on your strengths and areas that need to grow, and I say, more power to you! My husband and I both work daily to submit to one another, and to what the Spirit of God is saying to us. It's been nearly 5 years now--we're just starting out--but it is such a life-enhancing and humbling project!<br><br>
Thanks so much for the link! I just read the first entry but it resonated with me very deeply. I can't wait for my dd's nap so I can read more!
 

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I'm absolutely a feminist Christian mama. I couldn't be Christian without feminist theology to ground me.
 

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I wouldnt call myself a feminist, personally. However I do feel that the church places emphasis on things that are... hmmmm how to say it... that can take away from rather than enhance our christian life. And the role of the 'traditional family' as an evangelising tool is one of those things. I cant argue with what the bible says. I love the book, wont argue with it. However I think interpretation of and over emphasis on certain scripture verses make it seem that the bible says that women are 'the weaker sex'. When on deep inspection of other verses and bible stories, women Rock. Think of Debora, all the women who stayed with Jesus while he was dying (ALL his male disciples ran away!!), Abigail (defied her husband to feed David and his army), the fact that the first person Jesus revealed his risen self to was a woman, the first evangelist. I can attest to the fact that while physically, woman are not as strong as men, in almost everything else.... Im not so sure. We are equal. IME, that is. I wouldnt go as far as calling God a godess or anything like that. It would be interesting to do a bible study on how God relates to and what he <i>really</i> thinks of us women.
 

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Until recently I never would have considered using the word "godess" either. But like the word "god" it is simply a WORD which means divine being.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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-wikipedia<br><br>
When we Christians use masculine language for God, we do not literally believe that God is a man. The bible is full of feminine imagery for God that has been overlooked through thousands of years of patriarchy, and so when I refer to our Christian divinity with the term "Goddess" I am speaking of a diety who transcends gender, and yet is revealed in part via masculine and feminine qualities. I am not talking about a Greek goddess, just as when I use the word "God" I am not refering to Zeus.<br><br>
This is a new idea for me, so forgive me if I'm not making sense!<br><br>
genifer, ITA about all the awsome women in the Bible! They have been such an encouragement to me in my journey!
 

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Penelope, I'm glad to "meet" you and know that there are others of us out there! Also, ITA about the cuteness of a girl in cleats! My dd is only 2, so I've yet to see her in them, but I have friends whose daughters play soccer...
 

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Hi Caren! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Feminist Christian mama here, checking in!<br><br>
I was raised Catholic and came from a family with very traditional gender roles. I now attend an Episcopal church with a female priest and I feel much more at home there.<br><br>
My MIL is a very strong and deeply spiritual woman and I feel so lucky that she taught her sons to cherish their partners as equals. I hope to teach my sons very similar lessons also.<br><br>
Thanks for starting this thread.
 

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I consider myeslf a feminist but I no longer align myself with the feminist movement. I believe in traditional roles to an extent (like moms should be with their children in the early years if at all possible, but not that they're the only ones that can cook and silly things like that), but I believe men and women are completely equal before God and I firmly believe in mutual submission in a Christian marriage.
 

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Another feminist Christian mama here! Like Fiddlemama, I was raised in a traditional Catholic home, but now attend Episcopal church. By "feminist," I mean that I believe, among other things, that women (and men) should be able to control their own lives and sexuality, and that women have equal value as men. I believe Jesus was a radical feminist. Just think about the Resurrection--in one gospel account, he first appeared to women in a culture that didn't accept a woman's eye-witness testimony as credible. Radical stuff!
 

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That, to me, is such a powerful statement! I hadnt thought of it that way before.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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My thoughts precisely.
 

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Most of the people who followed Jesus where women. Most of the people standing at the foot of the cross were women. When Jesus and the disciples were invited into people's homes to eat, it was the women who invited them and the women who served the food.<br><br>
I think that Jesus was probably fully aware of the power of women in his ministry. That indeed, Christianity would never have spread without the unacknowledged power of women.
 

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Another feminist Christian mama here! I'm also a pastor, serving a church part-time, so I don't have time to post much but wanted to add my voice to the mix.<br><br>
Personally I find it difficult to find like-minded mamas. Many of the crunchy Christian mamas I know are conservative Christians, while the liberal feminist Christians don't always get or support decisions to stay home full time or homeschool.<br><br>
I recently re-read Dissident Daughter (for the book club at our church no less!).<br><br>
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I relate, Alamama. I think 90% of my feminist friends think I am certifiable for being religious. Some are even offended by it--they're kind to me and keep quiet but I can tell it really bothers them. It's a bigger and bigger part of my life though and I can't just tuck it all in all the time.<br><br>
Our society is so divided it's sometimes hard to find people who can accept you as a whole person.
 

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I do not consider myself a feminist. I am however, really happy to read these posts. I think you all have a lot of wonderful insight! I will sub. & keep reading.
 

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I so know what some of you are saying about confounding various people in your life. I think that's why I wanted to have this conversation here. Most people don't see feminism, or true equal valuing of men and women, as fitting with Christianity. And a lot of Christian tradition has relegated women to lesser status. But I believe and have expereinced the heart of Christianity to be profoundly affirming of my identity as a woman created in the image of God. And as a pp said, Jesus was a radical feminist! And when you understand the cultural context in which Paul was educated, even the stuff that he wrote seems downright liberating for the women of his day!<br><br>
As to denomination, I come from a general non-denominational evangelical backaround, spent 5 years in a wonderful Episcopal church, and now attend a community Baptist church! I don't really fit very well in any particular tradition, though I'm drawn to the peace churches such as the Quakers and Mennonites.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">: and branching off a little i believe men and women by nature (or- by God) are different. equal, yes, but still not the same. both sexes have 'duties' that the other can't have. the most obvious- my husband can't have the honor of carrying and birthing children.
 

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Another Christian feminist here. I admit, I often feel I have more in common with my pagan friends than other Christian women. I am a pastor, but currently am a SAHM. Does anyone have any suggested reading for a person who yearns to remain Christian, yet needs more connection with the sacred feminine and the earth that what tradition has offered?
 
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