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I have an unholy amount of mercury fillings in my mouth. I'm breastfeeding and worried about this sh*t leeching into my daughter's body through my milk! I can't afford to replace them now (read on another thread it costs $950 a pop! ) and it's probably not safe to do while BFing or TTC (doing both now).<br><br>
anyone know anything about safe chelation for BFing mamas??<br><br>
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I probably wouldn't chelate while breastfeeding. I would be concerned about it being sent through the milk.<br><br>
Something you CAN do to help remove the heavy metals is use a poultice of pascalite clay and castor oil as directly over the spot as possible, use it daily if you can. it is very drawing and will help to safely draw out the metals.<br><br>
obviously, as soon as you CAN, I would get them replaced with either the plastic or glass based fillings.
 

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Luckily I had all of my mercury fillings removed years ago, but I forwarded an article about mercury in breastmilk to a friend of mine (her husband is a dentist btw). She said "oh god, my fillings are so old that any mercury leaching is gone by now, plus there is VERY little mercury in them to begin with". I told her I highly doubted that, but didn't know for sure how to best respond. I can't imagine amalgam fillings ever stop leaching...anyone know a good answer next time this comes up?
 

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If your dentist wife friend was right, I'd be SOOO happy. I've been recently freaking out about this same thing. I had a mouth FULL of metal fillings and while I had most of them removed before I had my kids, I've recently been concerned about the two that remain in my mouth.<br><br>
I nursed my first son for two and half years and am now nursing my 4 month old. It's scary to think that the mercury in my mouth might be causing problems for them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
To the first poster with the quesion. From what I have heard DO NOT allow a dentist to TOUCH your fillings while you are nursing and/or pregnant. Messing with them at all, even through cleaning, is supposed to be bad. (I just had mine cleaned a month or so ago before I read this, so am bummed.) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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I'm afraid that older fillings would be even more likely to shed.<br><br>
I wonder if it would be possible to get a dentist to seal your teeth, like they do for little kids, while you are breastfeeding? This is more of a dental question, perhaps you ought to take this over to the teeth department <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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here is some info on amalgams and mercury:<br><br><a href="http://www.sonic.net/~nexus/amalgam.html" target="_blank">http://www.sonic.net/~nexus/amalgam.html</a><br><br>
here is the FDA on the content of amalgam:<br><br><a href="http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html" target="_blank">http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html</a><br><br>
the way I read that, it is ONE HALF mercury. if we get worried about nanograms of mercury in our kids vaccines, it should worry us that we're getting TONS of it in our teeth!<br><br>
If all the mercury leached out of old fillings (into your body btw) and there was no mercury left, they would revert to powder.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">if we get worried about nanograms of mercury in our kids vaccines, it should worry us that we're getting TONS of it in our teeth!</div>
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I agree. Not to mention tuna fish. On the other hand, the very act of worrying may have some potential for deleterious changes in body chemistry.<br><br>
Since this is the vax forum, it should maybe be mentioned, for the benefit of those worried about mercury in vaccines, that most vaccines now contain no mercury, and those that do, not much. One exception is the flu vaccine, but often overlooked is the fact that not all of these do contain mercury (in the form of the preservative thimerosal) either; single-dose vials and syringes don't have any. The one I got last October didn't, and I wasn't even looking for a thimerosal-free dose.<br><br>
I always enjoy statements like this one (from NatureMama3's first link above):<br><br>
"<i>Methylated mercury is hundreds of times more toxic than inorganic mercury and has a particular affinity for the brain...</i>"<br><br>
Though the evidence is not very complete, there are some good reasons to believe that this may be true (details on request) -- but those arguing against thimerosal are seldom eager to agree, since thimerosal contains <i>ethyl</i> mercury rather than <i>methyl</i> mercury.<br><br>
Anyway.<br><br>
Anyone considering chelation should know that this is not without risks of its own, including anemia and kidney damage -- which is why mainstream medical practitioners do not recommend the practice except for patients with levels of heavy metals high enough to be characterized as "heavy metal <i>poisoning</i>". Pregnant women in particular might want to go a little slow with regard to any treatment capable of dramatically reducing levels of essential nutrients like iron, zinc, and calcium.
 

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There were some GREAT articles on the difference between ethyl and methyl posted in a recent thread (titled Heated Conversation).<br><br>
They aren't distributed the same and ethyl has a much higher penchance for the brain than methyl, hence smaller amounts (including the washed but present "thimerosol free" new vaccines) are still dangerous.<br><br>
Btw, I don't worry about it, I simply DON'T vax. I was speaking euphemistically to those on this forum, which often DO have worries, often real, about their children and vaccines.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I probably wouldn't chelate while breastfeeding. I would be concerned about it being sent through the milk.<br><br>
Something you CAN do to help remove the heavy metals is use a poultice of pascalite clay and castor oil as directly over the spot as possible, use it daily if you can. it is very drawing and will help to safely draw out the metals.<br><br>
obviously, as soon as you CAN, I would get them replaced with either the plastic or glass based fillings.</div>
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thanks for this info NatureMama3! Where can I get pascalite clay? How long should I leave it on?
 

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Go to the dental forum and check out the "chelating mamas" thread. There is a wealth of info there...<br><br>
BTW, chelation is a no-no 1) while you still have amalgam fillings in your mouth and 2) while BFing. Your best bet is to just make sure your vitamin and minerals are up to where they should be to allow your body to deal with the mercury leaching out from the fillings (optimal detox pathways and immune support to counter the effects of the mercury) and then after you're done BFing and have weaned your DC, you can get them removed and then chelate. Make sure the dentist you see for removal is one who specializes in doing it in a safer manner...<a href="http://www.iaomt.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iaomt.org/</a>
 

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you can get pascalite clay at most health food stores (in the bulk herb section). It may be called bentonite, that is ok too (as is french green-but it's pricey!).<br><br>
I would do it as often as possible until you can get the fillings changed out. With mercury fillings, the mercury source is still present and leaking so it's not as simple as trying to remove the mercury from a vaccine or other exposure.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> we're dealing with this treatment for our twins soon (summer, when they can have short-shorn hair for poultices on the head) and hopeful it will be a safer compromise between chelating/clathrating and doing nothing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">They aren't distributed the same and ethyl has a much higher penchance for the brain than methyl</div>
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The matter has not yet been investigated thoroughly enough to lend strong support to such a statement -- or, for that matter, for the opposite position, the one taken by Dr. Kennedy in the article you linked. Most of the work on mercury toxicity has dealt with methylmercury, the results extrapolated to ethylmercury. One hypotheses holds that some forms of methylmercury mimic one or more essential amino acids (e.g. methionine), making them <i>more</i> likely to be transported to the brain.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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A "trace" is defined as <.3 mcg. That's three-tenths of a <i>millionth</i> of a gram. You'd probably inhale that much just being in the same <i>room</i> with an unwrapped tuna sandwich.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I was speaking euphemistically to those on this forum, which often DO have worries, often real, about their children and vaccines.</td>
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Seems like there's hardly enough hours in a day to even make a decent go at worrying about all the <i>very real</i> worries without starting in on what a few <i>nano</i>grams of mercury might do; but I guess that's just me. These days, my eleven-year-old is all about riding his bike no-hands, and he's not very good at it. And my experience tells me that in a few years, I'll be waxing nostalgic about the days when I mostly worried about him doing a face-plant off his bike.<br><br>
When he was a year old, he got a high blood lead score, and I worried about brain damage and all that. Now, I worry about him getting smart enough to consistently outwit me before he's mature enough to handle the freedom that ability will buy him. The docs explained chelation to me, and I wanted to press for it, but they didn't want to do it. Folks around here would probably consider his blood lead level shockingly high, and it certainly was high enough to warrant concern -- but (in the opinion of the doctors) not high enough to warrant such a drastic measure as chelation. Now that I know a little more about the downside, I understand why. With the benefit of knowing he came out ok, it's easy to look back on it as being the right call, but I can remember the fear well enough to understand how appealing the idea of chelation might seem.<br><br>
Go slow.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Luckily I had all of my mercury fillings removed years ago, but I forwarded an article about mercury in breastmilk to a friend of mine (her husband is a dentist btw). She said "oh god, my fillings are so old that any mercury leaching is gone by now, plus there is VERY little mercury in them to begin with". I told her I highly doubted that, but didn't know for sure how to best respond. I can't imagine amalgam fillings ever stop leaching...anyone know a good answer next time this comes up?</div>
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They don't stop leaching unless you remove them. They're 43 to 54% mercury, so unless they wear completely away, they don't stop putting mercury into your body. What she said doesn't even make sense! How could the mercury selectively leach out, leaving only the other metals?
 

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I just had a filling removed this week and need to have 2 more done. Why isn't it better to get the amalgam OUT of my body? Some posts say don't mess with them while nursing.<br><br>
This one had been in for about 10 years and my tooth has fractures. It had to come out to save the tooth, otherwise I would need a crown.<br><br>
I have never heard of glass fillings.<br><br>
Sorry I am asking all these questions here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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Moving to the dental forum <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">(read on another thread it costs $950 a pop!</div>
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Then that person saw a dentist that overcharged. My IAOMT dentist removed them for $175 - $275 per tooth, standard charge for a cavity filled with composite. The price depended on complexity of filling, how many surfaces. Then something like $89 per visit (4 visits one quadrant at a time) for special IAOMT protocol. I had an intial exam/consult fee too that was like a regular office visit charge.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why isn't it better to get the amalgam OUT of my body?</div>
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Because the Hg vapor that is inhaled thru the lungs when the filling are drilled out is the most easily absorbed form. The more you absorb the more is in your bloodstream... and the more in your milk. I don't think the consequences of one big dose is known. But whatever the body doesn't excrete, the Hg is stored by the body organs and brain, and can cause a lifetime of issues.
 

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Ok, just saw that thread re: $950 per tooth. Yup, that is the price for porcelain. I opted for composites, my dentist used a non formadehyde, non BPA composite.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Something you CAN do to help remove the heavy metals is use a poultice of pascalite clay and castor oil as directly over the spot as possible, use it daily if you can. it is very drawing and will help to safely draw out the metals.</div>
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OK, I went to Whole Foods & got the pascalite clay, and castor oil... should I be applying this to my jaw? I assume just plopping it on my teeth won't work. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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you probably could, but blechk! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> yea, on your jaw (or under it). make a thick paste, apply to the area, cover with a layer of saran wrap or other water-proof material, tape around with a cloth medical tape (or risk a rough hair-pulling!).
 
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