Mothering Forum banner
1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
268 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hi, I'm probably alone in this, but thought I'd post anyway, cause it would be nice to have someone who understands to chat with.<br><br>
Sophia was born in April, and we did everything we could do to get her to nurse. I had lc's stay with me round the clock while in the hospital, they simply could not get her to nurse. She would just scream when put to the breast. Some lc's tried forcing her head to stay on, which really upset me, some lc's just gave up. She was chomping on the end of my nipple, not keeping her tongue down and out, so she wasn't sucking , that was when she would even try, mostly she would just scream if put near the breast. The nurses insisted on formula which I refused the first two days, but bc she was crying constantly, and everyone was telling me how hungry she was ect, I gave in, got a hospital pump in my room and tried to feed her with a syringe. By the time we left the hosapital, she still wasn't nursing, my milk didnt come in. After being home for a few days still wiuth no milk, I met with lc after lc for 2 weeks, who finally told me to give up, not everyone can nurse!!! I was devastated bc I wanted to nurse this baby more than anything in the world. I was paying these lc's 20$ every 15 min!!! and this is what they conclude!!! Any way, so we met with a speech language specialist, who concluyded that Sophia need exercises done on her lips, cheeks, tongue ect, so she would learn not to hump her tongue, ect, but couldnt address the reason she would scream near the breast of course. By then, I had started fenugreek, my milk finally came in, and Sophia was using the Haverman bottle if anyone knows, that a special nipple, anyway, atleast she was drinking my breast milk.<br><br>
Anyway, Sophia is a beautiful, fat bf baby at 5 months now, and I am still an exclusive pumper! I am sooooo proud of mysrelf! It was hell in the beginning, when I had to pump round the clock, I cant believe I have done it this long, for a long time, I was just taking it day by day, considering every day I stuck with it a victory! now I pump 4 or 5 times a day. I am so glad I stuck with it. I guess I was hoping someone here could commisserate, since I never feel like posting here in these boards, cause I really don't fit it, even though I desparately wanted to nurse!!!!! btw, those exercises never worked, maybe we werent doing it right, she can finally suck on an avent nipple though, and deep down, I still have hopes of one day getting her on the breast, I think it would be so much simpler, but atleast Ive got a bf baby!<br><br>
Thanks for listening! It feels good to tell somebody!!!<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,770 Posts
You are definitely not alone! I know annakiss is still an exclusive pumper, I know USAmma and IlaBrook pumped exclusively for a number of months, and I'm sure there are others.<br><br>
I had to pump for a couple of months before I could get ds to the breast exclusively, so I know how much work it is! You are one dedicated mama, and I applaud you for it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><br><br>
Have you tried your dd at the breast recently? Maybe she would try with an SNS or Lact-Aid?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
9,341 Posts
i was an ep till ds learned to nurse at almost 6 mos old.....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
268 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
thanks jane! i haven't tried her lately with an sns, i have tried just putting her to the breast though, which she just refuses to even try. maybe the sns is a good idea though.<br>
i had no idea there were so many in my shoes, thats what i love about the internet.<br><br>
mom2tig, thats encouraging to hear about your dc starting to nurse at 6 mo, that really fantastic!<br>
i really hope sophia will start, but if she doesnt thats ok, i'm determined to keep going.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,975 Posts
You're certainly not alone. I pumped for 16 weeks until dd finally got the hang of nursing. dd has a high arch to her palate, a small mouth and I have big boobs - bad combo. She also humped her tongue at the back and the LCs recommended exercises which never worked. I just kept trying, although some weeks got so discouraged, I just gave her the bottle. Then I'd get another burst of hope and try again, she's nurse ok a few times then back to square one and screaming. We also used the Habermann Feeder for about 6 weeks - that helped train her to keep her tongue down. But it also caused her to not open her mouth wide. Then we used the Avent bottle to try and make her open wide. Eventually I think she just got big enough and strong enough to learn. Plus at 6 mo she's was still fussy at the breast so she was started on Zantac for silent reflux and there's been a good improvement - no more screaming at the breast. She would scream after a few minutes of nursing, and pull off all the time. Although you said yours would scream BEFORE getting to the breast?<br><br>
If you still have hopes of getting her back on the breast, then I think 5 mo is not too late. The problems she had early on may have resolved themselves. So what you might be dealing with now is a 5 mo who has bottle preference and needs to learn that breasts have milk in them. That's kinda where I was with dd at 16 weeks - by then she COULD nurse, but WOULDN'T nurse all the time - she preferred the bottle. The SNS might work for you now.<br><br>
As for the pumping, I used to read the posts at pumpingmoms.org and there were a lot of exclusive pumpers there who'd pumped for over a year. So just know there are many ways to make this BF relationship work for you and your daughter
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
72 Posts
Oh my goodness what an insperation you are!! You overcame issues most wouldnt even consider <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> Id like to share your story with my local LLL group.... may I please??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
57 Posts
I pumped exclusively with my dd. She was 6 weeks premature and in the NICU for 2 weeks. I couldn't get her to latch right and ended up pumping for 4-5 months. I regret giving it up. I guess I was just pooped and unsupported. It's great you haven't given up!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
84 Posts
I have been an EP for 8-9 weeks - my dd is 16 weeks. Yahoo groups also has 2 EP boards - pumpmoms and pump_moms - that have been invaluable.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
328 Posts
Not exactly the same situation, but I'm exclusively pumping and have been for 5 weeks. My son was born at 28 weeks, and so still isn't able to nurse.<br><br>
I'm appalled at the lack of support you've received. My hospital is so staunchly pro-BF, that as they were wheeling my bed back to my room after my c-section, the nurse said "well, you really need to start pumping, but we'll go ahead and give you an hour or so to rest". ;-)<br><br>
I also now have consults with baby's occupational therapist. She will help when he is ready to start nursing with his positioning, latch on, muscle development, etc, to ensure nursing success. I gather this is at a much more in-depth level than the lactation consultants provide. Any chance you can find on of these people around??<br><br>
-Kimberly
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,328 Posts
I just wanted to say that I think you are doing great! I have to pump 4-5 times a day just to keep my supply up (even though I also nurse) and it is really hard b/c it is such a total pain (I also have to pump for 20 min. each time and sometimes bleed). It takes a tremendous amount of dedication to keep doing it so pat yourself on the back!! You are doing great!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2 Posts
My son is 15.5 weeks old and refuses to latch. I had a c-section with him, and was so "out of it" that I completely forgot about breastfeeding as I was wheeled into recovery. Prior to the surgery I had told the nurses I wanted to breastfeed immediately. Immediately to them must mean 6 hours cause that is how long they let me sleep for, then they brought him to me, and he was so sleepy from all the meds he never could learn to nurse. Then, my supply was no where to be found the first 4 days, which is normal, but to the hospital, it was more of a priority to get him to eat then to get him to latch---where he could eat.. duh.. someone snuck him a bottle of formula, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> which we had expressed to the ENTIRE nursery staff not to do. Then to add insult to injury, when they brought him to me in his bassinet, on the 2nd day of life, a nice little pacifier laid next to him.. GGGRRRR!<br><br>
So anyway, 6 LCs and 3 LLLleaders cant get this guy to latch, we've tried everything from SNS, cup feeding, syringe feeding for the first 14 days of life, Adiri Breastbottles, nipple shields (mild success with those), Avent bottles, Playtex bottles, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"> rebirthing, nursing while swaying, to anything else you can think of, Ive tried it and/or bought it. Pumping is so tiring, the house is always a mess because I pump, pour in milkmate for fridge, play with baby to make sure he doesnt feel abandoned since while I pump he hangs out in his swing, or sits next to me in his exersaucer while I sing or talk to him, and then, if I am lucky, I manage to get a cat nap or a load of laundry in the washer... putting it in the dryer and folding it is another two days. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br><br>
Im so happy to see that there are moms out there who have gotten their babies to latch after several months of trying.. I thought everyone gave up after 10 weeks (or so I am told). Hopefully one day I will achieve my goal of having Jason eb. I planned to bf until HE decides to wean. But first, he must learn!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
268 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Jasonsmommy, it is hell at first. I remember dd crying in her swing while I would pump, I had to pump so often, I couldn't do it only when she was sleeping. I remember being a couple minutes into it, and she would start crying, she just wanted to be held constantly which is ok, thats what I want my babies to be, so the pumping really interfered with that imo. My only words of hope for you are that, even if , like Sofia, your dc does not nurse, you will not have to pump so often for too long. I pump when I first wake, and Sophia plays on the floor, around noon,Sophia is usually still napping, around dinner time, Sophie is content to play, or I wait untill she is, and right before I go to bed, Sophia already asleep. For me the hardest part was waking in the night every 2 hours, regardless of wether Sophia had to eat or not, I had to pump. Fenugreek really pumped up my supply, I did not have to do that past a few months.<br>
Keep heart, you are a great momma!! All these wonderful caring moms who go the extra mile for their dc on mdc, makes tears come to my eyes!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,967 Posts
Not me, but I know several women who did that, one of whom just stopped after 18 months. I am very impressed by women who pump their milk rather than going with formula. It's probably cheaper, but also probably much more of a hassle. Of course, it's better for the baby.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,843 Posts
I did it.<br><br>
DD and I nursed when she didn't scream in horror on the approach tenuously until she was about 7 months old and bit me hard. I took a week to recover, and she never wanted to get back to it.<br><br>
But I kept up pumping till she was 18 months old, I was pregnant, and it hurt like in the beginning all over again.<br><br>
It kind of becomes a way of life. I always appreciated the quiet time and the challenge of it.<br><br>
There was a pumping moms listserve that really helped me a lot as well.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
38 Posts
I used to EP too. I had much trouble in the early days of DD life trying to get her latched on and to STAY awake while nursing. It was very difficult. My breast were bleeding and I was so worn out and just depressed from giving birth that I decided to EP. I did that for about 8 weeks and then when I thought DD was old enough to try it again we went to a LC and got DD back on the breast. She is now 7 months old and it is going great! I think it is wonderful that you are EP and not just giving your baby formula. Try again when DD is older and see if you can get her back on! I am so glad we got DD back on the breast! You are doing great mama! Keep up the excellent work!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,518 Posts
Yep, I pumped for Lucy for months. It's tough and I give you props for doing it for so long!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,530 Posts
Way to go. Hang in there! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> And don't give up.<br><br>
I pumped exclusively for 3 months, because it took this long for ds and ds to nurse well - before then, we did bottles (and we tried every known bottle and nipple to find one they would take), Medela SNS, cup feeding, finger feeding, and syringe feeding. I felt like a living breathing chapter of LLL's Mothering Multiples book on "Overcoming difficulties". I worked almost daily with LCs too. Finally at 3 months, they were able to latch on, stay latched on, and suck vigorously enough and for long enough to get plenty of milk. Each of those things was a separate challenge that took weeks to resolve. But for two babies born 2 months early, I was so proud of them for even figuring out nursing at all, and knew that I HAD to give them my milk for its immune boosting properties if nothing else.<br><br>
Then, even after they were nursing well, I continued to pump *at least* 6x/day to maintain supply for another 3 months (but that's because I had TWO very hungry babies!).<br><br>
I finally did away with the pump around 6 or 7 months.<br><br>
I would try dd on your breast (or use an alternative method to coaxe onto the breast, such as SNS or even try finger feeding - this was the magic bullet for both dd an ds) every now and then, but if it never works, don't feel disheartened. You are one hard-working, dedicated mama.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,480 Posts
interesting stuff, thanks to all for sharing your stories.<br><br>
I might be becoming an exclusive pumper for a while. For some reason DS had low weight gain @ 1 month, although it looked to our LLL that we were latched on well. The Ped, felt DS *really* needed more milk, so off we go to the LC. She rents me a pump & sells me herbs & a SNS & sends me on my way. I could never pump more than 10 ml per side per pump, and I was pumping every hour. My breasts just wouldn't respond to the pump. Had a lactina then a symphony.<br><br>
So, with breastfeeding & 8-10 oz of ABM in the SNS, DS starts gaining really well. Ped says, ok, wean from the supplement. We could never do it. I couldn't figure out if I had milk or not, I never had time to pump & I never got any milk anyway! I never leak or feel a let-down. It was all so confusing & with DS crying I had to feed him. Finally I take myself & DS to another LC. She gives me bigger size horns for the pump, & a bustier that holds the horns in place, giving me hands to massage my boobs with & voila~ milk! I am now getting 20-30 ml per side per pump & today is my 1st day pumping again.<br><br>
The Bad news~ Over the last 3 months, DS latch has gotten crappier & crappier from sucking on the end of my boob with the SNS, no deep latch, yk? Not draining the boobs was depressing my supply. New LC says SNS over used. So he is re-learning how to really nurse on the Haberman, DH (& I mean DEAR) is taking 2 days off work & was home today doing the bottle feeding. When I tired DS had none of it. Now we go back Wednesday to make sure he is getting the Haberman right & when I can put him back to breast, plus we have to really get this deep latch technique cold, bcz I cannot have DS going hungry & taking ABM when the milk is jsut sitting here in my boob!<br><br>
SO that's my story, such that it is. I know we will all get this, not sense stopping now! Blessings, Maria
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Top