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I only caught about 10 minutes of it where they brushed off the autism/vaccination connection with "studies have shown otherwise" - it was mostly about kids being diagnosed with it, families raising autistic children, the prevalence of it...thoughts?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Same shit, new year.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/spitdrink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="spitdrink"> (Do not drink coffee while reading message boards)<br><br>
Anyways here's a linky:<br><br><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60mi...main3415.shtml</a>
 

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Lately I've been thinking same shit, new week.<br><br>
But yeah, I've basically avoided all media exposure lately. Someone I know seems to watch whatever is being shown, and calls me excitedly, not realizing these segments, imo, mostly regress autism education.<br><br>
Sorry. Sore subject.<br><br>
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I was annoyed with the whole piece but not surprised; like you all said. Its the same crap. My father who told me to watch the piece however will now be sure to annoy me like statements like, "I told you vaccines didn't cause autism." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut">
 

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Just wait until all the VICP autism cases come before the judge in June - the CDC is going to be falling all over themselves with the damage control . . . and then we have to see Offit's mug all over the news for a few weeks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
FTR, thimerosal is (conveniently) going to be discussed at the upcoming ACIP meeting on Thursday and Friday. On the agenda, it's listed as: <i>Thimerosal: Reviewing the Evidence</i><br><br>
Can't wait to hear the BS on the news the day after. Then the real BS when the actual minutes to the meeting come out in three months. It's always interesting to see what <i>doesn't</i> make the news.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Lately I've been thinking same shit, new week.<br><br>
But yeah, I've basically avoided all media exposure lately.</div>
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Then you might've missed this, published yesterday:<br><br><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070218183245.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0218183245.htm</a><br><br>
"The largest search for autism genes to date, funded in part by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has implicated components of the brain's glutamate chemical messenger system and a previously overlooked site on chromosome 11."
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/spitdrink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="spitdrink"> (Do not drink coffee while reading message boards)<br><br>
Anyways here's a linky:<br><br><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60mi...main3415.shtml</a></div>
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Or eat oatmeal, there's been a couple of times I've almost had to scrape some off my keyboard/screen.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Then you might've missed this, published yesterday:<br><br><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070218183245.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0218183245.htm</a></div>
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We didn't miss it: <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=618800" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=618800</a><br><br>
Here's a study (from the CDC website):<br><br><i><b>The Autism and Biopsy Study.</b><br>
This study is investigating the question of whether the MMR vaccine may cause autism by a mechanism involving persistent measles virus infection in the intestine. This study involves examining the intestinal tissue of children with autism for the presence of measles virus. Results are anticipated in June 2007.</i><br><br><br>
The results were supposed to be made known by the end of 2006 according to the CDC, but the CDC recently changed the expected date on it's website to June 2007. And what do ya know, the Autism Omnibus Proceeding (aka "Vaccine Court"), which as I stated earlier is being held in . . . you guessed it, June 2007.<br><br>
It's going to be interesting to see if the results will be made public before or after the proceeding commences.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Then you might've missed this, published yesterday:<br><br><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070218183245.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0218183245.htm</a><br><br>
"The largest search for autism genes to date, funded in part by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has implicated components of the brain's glutamate chemical messenger system and a previously overlooked site on chromosome 11."</div>
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I've never doubted a genetic link/predisposition, so articles like this are neither here nor there for me personally. FTR, my issue is that most mainstream publicity won't (or doesn't even know to) acknowledge a vaccine and/or immune-health correlation. It's a disservice to the flood of newly dxd parents to not give them the option of another factor to research.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's not like it hasn't been investigated. Mainstream medicine doesn't acknowledge a correlation because the evidence doesn't support it.<br><br>
Jung said: "Mental health is characterized by flexibility".<br><br>
The vaccine->autism hypothesis is dead and stinking. It's time to move on.</div>
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Well Garsh, why didn't anyone tell me? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"> I am SO GLAD that I can stop wasting my extremely successful time trying to heal my son.<br><br>
Thanks Dymanic for your gentle words and omnipotently-informed declaration! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's not like it hasn't been investigated. Mainstream medicine doesn't acknowledge a correlation because the evidence doesn't support it.</div>
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I'll have to remember that the next time I look at my nine year old son . . . the one that is no longer considered autistic because we treated it like the immune system disorder it is . . . instead of that "genetic mental disorder" that was going around.<br><br>
If I had listened to mainstream medicine's "evidence" back then, my son right now would probably be in a special education school, doped up on three different medications . . . and have a weekly appointment with a psychiatrist.<br><br>
It's just a shame that I had to literally go to the ends of the earth to uncover the "alternative" treatment and testing instead of hearing about it from my ped or the government.
 

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mainstream medicine is not asking the right questions.<br><br>
until there is a large sample, long term study comparing the autism (and obesity, and cancer, and autoimmune disorders) rates between vaxed and unvaxed (and i mean TRULY unvaxed) people, there is no way that anyone can unequivocally state that there is no link between vaccines and autism.<br><br>
but apparently studies like that only happen when, like, you know, pigs fly and stuff. who's going to fund it?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'll have to remember that the next time I look at my nine year old son . . . the one that is no longer considered autistic because we treated it like the immune system disorder it is . . . instead of that "genetic mental disorder" that was going around.</div>
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So out of curiosity, did a mainsteam doc(allopathic one) document in his medical records that he was no longer autistic?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So out of curiosity, did a mainsteam doc(allopathic one) document in his medical records that he was no longer autistic?</div>
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I'm not sure what his former ped documented in his file, but I would imagine something was documented. Each year when we went for a school physical (he was a patient up until he was in first grade), the doc would say things like, <i>"I can't believe this is the same child."</i><br><br>
I can never hear that enough - from family members, school personnel, acquaintances . . . it's music to my ears!
 

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<a href="http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm" target="_blank">http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm</a><br>
falsely justify the use of vaccines<br>
double talk<br>
fraud<br>
delusions<br>
coercion<br>
scare tactics<br>
lies<br>
suppress info propaganda<br><a href="http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html" target="_blank">http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html</a><br>
great website with a graphical chart,showing vaccines did not save us from disease<br><a href="http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com" target="_blank">www.robertfkennedyjr.com</a><br>
article called 'deadly immunity' june 16 2005<br>
biggest scandals and cover up by the WHO+CDC+FDA regards autism and vaccines<br><br>
Enough info to make you want to vomit!<br>
Tyler
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I can never hear that enough - from family members, school personnel, acquaintances . . . it's music to my ears!</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">it's not about the evidence and lack of correlation.</div>
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I can't help but wonder if this would be your position if the evidence <i>did</i> suggest a link between vaccination and autism.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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If: "do vaccines cause autism?" isn't the right question, what is?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Do you consider the risk of adult onset autism to be a matter of great concern?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Don't you think that more conclusive results could be reached if the scope of a study is not expected to include all of those things at once?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Again, with respect to autism, that HAS been studied.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Oh, so now we've got unvaxed and <i>TRULY</i> unvaxed. Whatever.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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The <i>hypothesis</i> is dead and stinking. What that means is that as a path to an explanation, the idea has been considered, investigated, and rejected as unpromising. No one can state <i>unequivocally</i> that there isn't a link between SUNSPOTS and autism -- but as a <i>hypothesis</i>, it's going nowhere.<br><br>
It is reasonable to describe science as the business of eliminating dead-ends. But those dead-ends are seldom identified by scientists who know from the outset that this is where their exploration will lead; no one wants to be in the position where they must stand up in front of a group of their peers and report that an idea they had been enthusiastic about and to which they had devoted time and resources has failed to pan out.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm thinking many people said the same thing when certain people kept insisting that the earth was NOT flat......I can hear the conversation now "It's not like it hasnt been investigated......there's no evidence that supports the earth is round.....it's time to move on...."</div>
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A bit of an aside, but an interesting tidbit (from wikipedia):<br><br>
"By the time of Pliny the Elder in the 1st century, however, the Earth's spherical shape was generally acknowledged among the learned in the western world."<br><br>
"The modern misconception that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat first entered the popular imagination in the nineteenth century, thanks largely to the publication of Washington Irving's fantasy The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828."<br><br>
Don't feel bad. I was also misinformed about this in public school. I think they're still teaching it wrong. Old ideas die hard, eh?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Have you read the Simpsonwood transcript, dymanic?<br>
If so, what did you make of it?</div>
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Yeah, I'd like to know too.<br><br>
MK - Ever notice how you're ignored you when you ask the Simpsonwood question?<br><br>
Don't feel bad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> It's the same with my <i>"eensy weensy harmless amounts"</i> of vaccine ingredients response. The one where I ask which one of those eensy weensy ingredients/amounts cause this/that reaction question.
 
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