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I'm just wondering if anyone has declined vaccines at a military pediatric clinic? My dh is AD Army at Ft. Hood, Tx. I don't want my child to have any vaccines at this time... if ever. I did decline the Hep B vaccine at birth with no problems whatsoever, although one midwife told me she'd never had anyone decline it.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="huh"><br>
I'm just worried about the 2 month well baby check up. Their schedule calls for Pediatrix, HIB and Prevnar all in one visit!! That's 5 vaccines!!! NO way in hell is my son going to have those. I just don't know how this ped clinic will react to my declining the vaccines. Since we're military and get assigned to where they want us, I may not have the option to go hunting for a new pediatrician. I'm also worried that they could go to my dh's chain of command to "force" him to give our son the shots.<br>
Is there anyone who has experience with this? And if I want to decline the vaccines for philosophical reasons, how do I go about doing that? I'm not religious so I can't use the religious reasoning. Help!<br>
Thanks!
 

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I have. Each doc is different. I hope you are pleasantly surprised.<br><br>
I had to stand my ground and it was really uncomfortable. Just remember they can't force you to do anything and they can't get the military member in trouble, no matter what they may insinuate. You have all the rights you would have at a civilian hospital.<br><br>
I suggest bringing a notebook and the number to the hospitals patient advocate. If the doctor doesn't respect your wishes and tries to argue with you, write it down. Write down everything that doesn't meet with your satisfaction. Then bring it to the patient advocate.<br><br>
Hopefully, you won't even need a notebook, but it is very effective in reminding the doctor that you are the customer and have your own rights. Every time I have dealt with people in the military with bad attitudes, the minute I ask them to spell out their name and their supervisors, so I can write it down, it is almost as if I am dealing with a new person! The cranky attitude changes to a helpful apologetic manner.
 

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We have declined all vax's so far...we're USAF at Tyndall AFB and see the ped at the base clinic.<br><br>
And FTR, that's <b>seven</b> vaccines at once, not 5, because the Pediarix is for 5 things, the others are for 1 each <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/scared.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="scared">. That's the schedule here, too, and they won't do seperate vax's.<br><br>
Don't let them bully you. As I understand it, you and DC are civilian and what you do has nothing to do with DH. Deal with the exemption part of things later on when it's necessary....unless you need an exemption now for child care or something. And you <i>are</i> religious (you just don't know it yet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> , do the research) ....do a search here for exemptions and you'll find lots of good info. In fact, take a couple of days (see: weeks) and read, read, read and you'll learn tons thanks to all the great mamas here <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rocks.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="mdc rocks"> .<br><br>
I don't know what it's like where you are, but here the peds don't really give the vax's, they are given at the vaccination clinic, so maybe that'll make things a bit easier to avoid. Get informed so that you have the confidence to simply say "We're still considering the issue, we'll let you know when or if we change our minds, you want us to make an informed decision don't you?". Then repeat ad nauseam until they get the message <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"> .
 

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Thanks so much for the info. You've made me feel so much better about it.<br>
And you're right, April, the nurses do the vaccinations, not the doctors so that might make it better.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> We are a military family and don't vax as well.<br><br>
Your mileage may vary between clinics and the various different types of health care works (doc, nurse, corpsmen, etc.) -- but bottom line: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">They can't make you vax and it should not affect the sponsor's career.</span> Stand firm.
 

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Yep, I've declined vaxes at both Kings Bay Naval Base (in GA) and Naval Hospital Bremerton (in WA).
 

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First of all, the thing you have to always remember is that your hubby's chain of command can only deal with him. He is the active duty member. You are civilian, as is your son. Even if there is an issue that you all get pulled into the shirt's office about, he can't punish you. And he can't FORCE you to do anything because you are not active duty. He can only suggest or suggest strongly but he cannot force. I know because I've gone in to see my hubby's commander over a few things and one was an actual problem and he couldn't force me to do anything but he did suggest my next course of action.<br>
That said, I'm at Pope AFB in North Carolina right now. My husband is active duty. I have declined vaccines at Womack Army Medical Center(our hospital) and the 43rd Medical Group here on Pope(our regular clinic). I wasn't even questioned at Womack but I was questioned here at the clinic. I had a discussion with the pedi(whom I despise anyway) about thimerosal and vaccines and huge load of viruses in each vaccine and how it concerned me. I told her that I was not prepared to vaccinate Sara until I was convinced that it was safe. She gave me the typical "vaccines are now safe and there is no mercury in them" speech but in the end I told her that I respected her thoughts as a physician but as a parent I was not comfortable vaccinating Sara. I told her that I chose not to vaccinate at that point in time and that if I changed my mind, I knew where the immunization clinic was and what their hours were and I would surely go. She shook her head and walked out. I haven't been asked about vaccines since. And my husband's supervisor, shop chief, first shirt, and commander all know us well(in a good way!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ) and they know Sara is not vaccinated and it's never been an issue. They know we are good parents who care for our children and don't neglect their needs, medical or other. It's not really a big deal.<br><br>
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Hi LeslieB,<br><br>
I just had a baby at Darnall 10 months ago, and unlike you, I had never even questioned vaccinations. In fact, when they told me about Pediarix, I was like, "Great! Fewer shots for DS!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"><br>
Now here's the part you might be interested in: I had to pull strings and stay on the phone for days (okay, a bit of an exaggeration) to get well-baby appts for DS!! They are so busy and overscheduled that it's almost impossible to be seen. In fact, a guy on the appointment line told me that I shouldn't worry because: "Most children here aren't vaccinated on time." At the time, I was horrified - what if my precious baby came down with a terrible illness in the meantime because he wasn't vaccinated??!! If only I knew then what I know now...<br>
Anyway, the moral to the story is that it is very easy to avoid these well-baby appts entirely at Fort Hood. If you want the check-ups but not the vax, you could always schedule a sick baby appt... there's no way they'll have time for vax when you're there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"><br>
Regardless, I wouldn't worry about declining vax at Darnall or the clinics. They're way too busy to press the issue, and I've found that they'll go along with almost anything you say assertively. Good luck!!
 

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I am active duty and DD is not vaxed at all. Our ped (at the Dyess AFB clinic) was great and said that he will "fill us with pro-vax propaganda" (hey, at least he's honest!) but that he will of course still see our dd for her well-baby visits and respect our decision. I have been making about every other WBV since she was born...not sure why I just can't break the habit!<br><br>
Incidentally, I (as active duty) received the flu shot during pregnancy (before I knew what I know now) and this year when it came around I refused it. The immunization tech actually said that he would rather write me an exemption than start any "paperwork". I told him that as long as I'm nursing, I will be getting no shots and that seemed to work for him.<br><br>
So...my point is that yes, you can refuse shots for your child and BY LAW the MTF must still see your child for any other appts.<br><br>
If you have any questions about how to get a religious exemption for the CDC, let me know. I have DD in there now and it was a small battle but only b/c they hadn't seen it before. Once I talked to the right person (way up the chain of command) it was pretty simple.<br><br>
Also, if you put your child in civilian daycare in TX, you don't need a religious exemption, you can file a philosophical exemption if that suits you better.<br><br>
GL!
 

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Or just say, "well we don't have the time today", they should write a Rx for you and you can just throw it away and go about your happy lives!<br><br><br>
Also, we are a Navy family, but hubby is at Cape Canaveral and ds and I get all of our medical treatment with civilian providers. So far, our Ped is so overbooked that our delayed schedule is getting delayed. This is totally fine with me but hubby is freaked out about ds getting something that a vaccine might prevent. Evan is nearly 5 months and unvaxed so far. The older he is before he gets his first shot, the happier I will be, and if we make it to 2 and he never gets pertussis--the scariest one to me--I'll be a happy mommy. Our ped is good though about working with us, even though every other doc in his practice will "fire" parents for not vaxing exactly on schedule.
 
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