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So I'll admit it, I'm a bit overprotective of my pregnancy. I'm already on necessary drugs for a medical condition, and even though the doctor says they're safe, I still feel somewhat guilty about it. In order to make up for that I'm being extra careful about everything else: trying to avoid plastic bottles, using natural household and personal products that don't have phthalates (tbh this is something I do anyway), limiting canned foods to avoid BPA, etc ... yeah I'm a bit of a freak.<br><br>
Of course I looked into the safety of ultrasounds because somewhere I heard someone saying that they might not be safe, blah blah blah. I read some studies that showed no obvious effects, but I also read some that did show some negative effects, enough to make me think twice about doing them unnecessarily.<br><br>
So I'm going to try to limit the u/s for this pregnancy to one, unless there is a clear medical need for more. We are looking into birth centers, and the two we are looking into only do one u/s as part of their regular prenatal care. I tried booking an appointment with an obstetrician (just in case a birth center won't approve me) but they told me that the 8 week u/s was <b>mandatory</b> (!) because of liability reasons (what, I can't sign a waiver or something?). Luckily I'm only just starting my 6th week so I have some time to get things sorted (the obstetrician wouldn't even see me until I was 8 weeks).<br><br>
I know a lot of people are really excited to get that first ultrasound and hear the heartbeat, and I get that. But I don't feel a very strong urge to do so. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled that I'm pregnant and am so happy there's a little baby in there. But if something is going wrong at this point, there's not much to be done anyway, so I don't see the point in having an u/s this early, other than pinning down the due date (I know my date of ovulation so I can't imagine they can get much closer than that).<br><br>
I'm really just very content with knowing there is a baby in there and waiting to see him/her at week 20 or so. I'm just wondering if there's anyone else out there who feels the same way. I'd also like to know what people's experiences have been with early u/s and if your doctor would let you refuse one or not.
 

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I've only had an early u/s once and it was at 12 weeks. I was surprised to hear that others have u/s before that point. At my ob, it's just one at around 20-22 weeks unless there is a problem. I'm not sure if I'll even have that one though. It depends on how I feel at that time (whether or not I think it's necessary).<br><br>
BTW, I don't think you're a freak at all for doing what you're already doing. We avoid plastic, canned foods, and unnatural products (vinegar & baking soda are my BFFs) all the time. Some people think it's weird, but I can bet there aren't a lot of them on MDC. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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I haven't really researched US risks. Can you enlighten us a bit?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I've only had an early u/s once and it was at 12 weeks. I was surprised to hear that others have u/s before that point. At my ob, it's just one at around 20-22 weeks unless there is a problem. I'm not sure if I'll even have that one though. It depends on how I feel at that time (whether or not I think it's necessary).</div>
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I'm still up in the air about the 20 week one as well, but at least I can see the advantages to having one at that point, even if it isn't absolutely necessary.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">BTW, I don't think you're a freak at all for doing what you're already doing. We avoid plastic, canned foods, and unnatural products (vinegar & baking soda are my BFFs) all the time. Some people think it's weird, but I can bet there aren't a lot of them on MDC. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"></td>
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I love vinegar & BS for cleaning too. I feel much better mopping the floors with vinegar than cleaners (even the natural ones), especially with the cats and dog walking around on the floor and then licking their feet (of course then I get my husband coming home and telling me the apartment smells like pickles <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">)<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I haven't really researched US risks. Can you enlighten us a bit?</div>
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This is the website I was reading that had a nice list of studies (although no really recent ones), showing both sides:<br><br><a href="http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/joewoo3x.html" target="_blank">http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/joewoo3x.html</a><br><br>
You can find more studies by searching at <a href="http://highwire.stanford.edu/" target="_blank">Highwire</a>.<br><br>
For example, here are two articles I found at that site:<a href="http://www.jultrasoundmed.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/4/541?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=ultrasound+safety+pregnancy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT" target="_blank"><br><br>
Fetal Thermal Effects</a><br><br><a href="http://nej.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/16/5/637?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=ultrasound+safety+pregnancy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT" target="_blank">Ethics of Non-Medical Ultrsounds</a><br><br>
I realize they're probably safe, but I really believe in 'better safe than sorry' (to a bit of an extreme), especially for procedures that aren't medically necessary.
 

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I avoid u/s if they are not necessary.<br>
I had the 20wk one w/ ds1 bcs I was told that is what everyone does, it was my first baby, didn't know I could turn it down. Then at 41 1/2 wks we needed a bio-physical to confirm that fluids were good, etc so that I could go past 42 wks if needed. I felt that was needed as it avoided an unecessary induction. I felt guiltly bcs I had never intended on having more than one so.........<br>
w/ds2 no u/s<br>
w/ds3 I had had 2 m/c in a row and was really worried. I was just sure the baby had died and I hadn't slept in at least 3 days, I was a wreck. I decided to have the u/s so if I had lost the baby I would know and could start dealing w/ that and if I hadn't then I figured my worry and loss of sleep was worse than the u/s. I had a vaginal at 7wks, saw a wonderful heartbeat and slept through the nigh<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> I was still a little worried but not in the way that was affecting my health. That is the only us I had w/ ds3.<br>
w/dd no u/s<br>
I don't plan on doing a u/s w/ this pg unless something comes up that would warrant it. I just do not feel there have been enough studies on the use of u/s and especially the 3d ones. They used to do x-rays right on the pg mamas belly, Yikes.
 

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I won't be getting the early one. My midwife offers to send us as a formality, but requires no u/s. Not even the 20 week. I am choosing the 20 week one, because I can't stand not to find out the sex. Especially as this is #3. I have 2 boys and would like to be prepared one way or the other. Most of the baby clothes I have are NOT gender neutral at all. But that's me!
 

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I don't get ultrasounds without clear medical indication.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I tried booking an appointment with an obstetrician (just in case a birth center won't approve me) but they told me that the 8 week u/s was <b>mandatory</b> (!) because of liability reasons (what, I can't sign a waiver or something?).</div>
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This is so wrong. How could an early ultrasound possibly affect their liability?? The only thing that it could tell them that they wouldn't find out later anyway is your "due date," if you didn't know your cycle or if they didn't believe you. Which would make it easier for them to harass you when they think you have cooked your baby long enough. It's your body, and if you don't want them to stick their magic energy wand up inside you, that is absolutely your right.<br><br>
Wow, sorry, that just made me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"> I just didn't expect to see such tales of nonsense this early.
 

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With ds1 I had an early ultrasound because I had suffered a pretty traumatic miscarriage recently and needed it for peace of mind. I also had the 18 weeker. With ds2 and ds3 I had the 18 weeker only. My midwife does not require an ultrasound and AFAIK, all of the OBs around here will let you opt out. For me, although it will not change anything related to the pregnancy, I like to know if there is anything outside the norm that I will need to deal with after the birth.
 

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With DD...I had a US at 18weeks to find out the sex..and then at 20 weeks for the regularly scheduled US. I really don't know why I just NEEDED to find out 2 weeks earlier if she was a she...but I did.<br><br>
I got pregnant this January, and had spotting and m/c worries. I had a US at 6 weeks and they saw a heartbeat and everything. Shortly after that, the baby had died (unbeknown to us), and then 2 weeks later at 8 weeks, I had another US and that is how we found out the baby had died.<br><br>
If I were to get a US with this baby...I wouldn't believe it anyway since last time the US said everything was fine and it wasn't. I am not risking any harm that it can do in order to find out if everything is okay..when I can just try and relax and wait until I can hear the heartbeat.<br><br>
I am undecided about having a 20 week US.....not sure what we're gonna do there.
 

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I have been wondering about this too. If I am going to have any I only want one. We are not finding out the sex so is it better to have one at 10wks or 20? Does it matter?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">They used to do x-rays right on the pg mamas belly, Yikes.</div>
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I know, how crazy is that? And they thought they were perfectly safe!<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is so wrong. How could an early ultrasound possibly affect their liability?? The only thing that it could tell them that they wouldn't find out later anyway is your "due date," if you didn't know your cycle or if they didn't believe you. Which would make it easier for them to harass you when they think you have cooked your baby long enough. It's your body, and if you don't want them to stick their magic energy wand up inside you, that is absolutely your right.</div>
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They said they needed to know if it was an ectopic pregnancy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> If I have symptoms, I'll go in for an u/s, otherwise I'm going to assume everything is fine.<br><br>
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Oh it had me going as well. I couldn't even sleep that night I was so POed. Of course, it was good to know before I ever went to an appointment what kind of office they run, so I had lots of warning without wasting any time on them. It just makes me sad that there are women out there who allow themselves to be dictated to by a doctor because they just assume they know what's best.
 

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Hm, early ultrasounds aren't standard here. I did end up having one, because of a little scare last weekend, but they normally only offer the one at 20 weeks and then no more for the rest of the pregnancy.
 

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I'm not planning on an early ultrasound but kinda wish I could. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> My son was conceived after a long run of infertility so those early ultrasounds were incredible. It was great to know that there was an actual teeny, tiny baby growing in there. (Although I will say that the first ultrasound led to a second ultrasound since the measurements weren't quite on date but my guy caught up just fine.)<br><br>
This pregnancy was achieved much quicker: three months. It's a bit unreal right now. I'm a bit nervous because it was almost too easy. But we're planning on just the 20 week one.<br><br>
ETA: I'm hoping for a homebirth and have an interview with a midwife next week. I haven't even bothered to call my GYN's office here in town so I don't know what their policies are.
 
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