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Hi! I'm an RN and I work on a post partum unit. There are circ's done on our unit just like at most hospitals. Recently they've been floating us in and out of the nursery instead of having the same people always be in the nursery, so I've had to be helping with the circs. I usually just take care of the mom/baby couplet out on the floor. So......I'm just really really really bothered by it, but if I want to keep my job, there really isn't much I can do. I can't say that I don't want to do circs...they can just say...well, there are plenty of other nursing jobs in the hospital....and I really enjoy my job other than the circ thing. Does anyone else work in this area.....how do you get through the pain of just having to be there with these poor babies? The other day, I thought I was going to be physicially ill. A doctor uses safety pins to hold the foreskin and she has this safety pin in the foreskin and the baby is screaming at the top of his lungs and she is just standing there casually talking with the dad --who wanted to watch -- and the dad was just standing there casually talking to the doctor. UH HELLO??? how about somebody pay attention to the baby....finish what you started to someone can cuddle him!!!!! no...they let that poor baby like that while they finished their conversation. I thought I would faint. anyone else have to work in this area?<br>
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ok, if this isn't a joke post, I'll answer:<br><br>
REPORT THE DR TO THE MEDICAL BOARD!<br><br>
Safety pins are NOT proper equipment for circumcision! PERIOD.<br><br>
it is your duty to report any and all malpractice you may see, and safetypins are NOT proper procedure during Circ. AT ALL. The AMA and the APA BOTH have STRICT Guidelines on how a circ should be performed, and what instruments to use during a circ, and IT IS NOT SAFETYPINS. For the love of all that is sacred, report this quack.
 

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If it was me, I would look into joining Nurses for the Rights of the Child (<a href="http://nurses.cirp.org/" target="_blank">http://nurses.cirp.org/</a>) , which is a nursing organization that opposes circumcision, and refuses to participate in them. I would also talk about your feelings with your fellow nurses, who I bet also have some feelings that they're afraid to share.<br><br>
I think there's strength in numbers. Talk to some other nurses that you trust. Share some info. If several of you feel that there are some things that are not done ethically, then maybe you can make some changes - such as making sure that babies are treated more humanely - anethesia is used, proper equipment, the procedure is done as quickly as possible, etc.<br><br>
If it was me, I wouldn't participate in them, and if that meant transferring, I guess that I'd have to transfer.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">ok, if this isn't a joke post, I'll answer:<br><br>
REPORT THE DR TO THE MEDICAL BOARD!<br><br>
Safety pins are NOT proper equipment for circumcision! PERIOD.<br><br>
it is your duty to report any and all malpractice you may see, and safetypins are NOT proper procedure during Circ. AT ALL. The AMA and the APA BOTH have STRICT Guidelines on how a circ should be performed, and what instruments to use during a circ, and IT IS NOT SAFETYPINS. For the love of all that is sacred, report this quack.</div>
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Not a joke post.....I can't remember if she was using a gomco or a mogen...but she uses sterile safety pins....evidentally other's do this as well....that's how she learned to do it in school? Its not like she was doing it freehand with just the help of a saftey pin....its just that she used it in conjunction with the gomco setup (or mogen or whatever it was).<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">ok, if this isn't a joke post, I'll answer:<br><br>
REPORT THE DR TO THE MEDICAL BOARD!<br><br>
Safety pins are NOT proper equipment for circumcision! PERIOD.<br><br>
it is your duty to report any and all malpractice you may see, and safetypins are NOT proper procedure during Circ. AT ALL. The AMA and the APA BOTH have STRICT Guidelines on how a circ should be performed, and what instruments to use during a circ, and IT IS NOT SAFETYPINS. For the love of all that is sacred, report this quack.</div>
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Actually, a safety pin is <b>recomended</b> by the American Academy of Family Physicians to secure the foreskin and the underlying mucosal tissue during a gomco clamp circumcision, for accuracy of course :puke<br><br><i>A small safety pin may be used to bring the edges of the dorsal slit together over the flare of the bell before bringing the draw stud through the base plate. The safety pin should be inserted through both the foreskin and the mucosa so that care is taken not to omit the mucosal layer. In addition, the clinician must take special care to make sure that the sharp end of the safety pin does not cause inadvertent injury to the clinician or the infant. Once the safety pin is satisfactorily inserted through the foreskin and underlying mucosa, the base plate can be placed over the draw stud, followed by the safety pin holding the foreskin and the mucosa. The level at which the foreskin is to be excised can then be adjusted before placing the arms of the draw stud into the yoke.</i><br><br><a href="http://www.aafp.org/afp/980915ap/peleg.html" target="_blank">http://www.aafp.org/afp/980915ap/peleg.html</a><br><br>
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ok, I'm gonna puke now <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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oh for the love of...<br><br>
that's DISGUSTING!!<br><br>
How many Dr has jabbed him/herself with the safety pin and bled onto the baby? That's just...outright DANGEROUS.<br><br>
Well, mabe it was wishful thinking that the AMA and the AAP would not say safetypins were good???
 

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i am sorry you have to witness it, help with it, get mad at the docs and parents who act like teh baby isnt crying<br><br>
big hugs<br><br>
just beign told i had to wait for a nurse (from the nursery) because they were doing circs at the time, i was like
 

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I'd start by looking at what your hospital's policy on informed consent is. Do they give biased information on circumcision to parents? Do they tell them about the very wonderful option of leaving their son intact? Do they state the risks of circumcision? Basically, do they give the parent enough information to make a decision or do they just present circ as the norm.<br><br>
Maybe you can make suggestions to change the hospital's policy and more parents will choose to forgo the circumcision.<br><br><br>
I'm so sorry that you have to witness that. I hope you can find a way to continue your job without having to assist.<br><br>
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Words fail me.<br><br>
Marilyn Milos, the founder of NOCIRC, is a nurse and can help you or guide you to someone who can help you. She is very warm, kind and accessible to talk to and will be very happy to speak to you. Here is her contact information:<br><br><a href="http://www.nocirc.org/contact.php" target="_blank">http://www.nocirc.org/contact.php</a>
 

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i can't believe it. and my co-worker was worried about piercing a little girls ears.... that is so sad. it's not bad enough they are hacking half of the skin off, they have to stick it a few times for good measure??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Constance Bean, author of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Labor and Delivery</span>, states in her book violations like this every day in the course of her day.<br><br>
Try and acquire this book.<br><br>
It is an eyeopener.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In addition, the clinician must take special care to make sure that the sharp end of the safety pin does not cause inadvertent injury to the clinician or the <b>infant.</b><br><br>
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Bold mine. Anyone else notice the irony here? "Inadvertent" injury to the infant is unacceptable, but ADVERTENT injury is perfectly ok?<br><br><br>
I'm gonna puke, too.
 

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amy,<br><br>
i am an RN on postpartum unit as well. i work nights, so we rarely have to assist with circumcisions. i usually hide and get "busy" if one comes in early morning and is wanting to circ one of my babies. i really hate assisting on them since i am anti-circ.<br><br>
it is frustrating. unfortunately, most people have their minds made up already, though i have saved 2 boys from being circed. the mom's were debating it and we discused it and they didn't have it done! one of them was just last night! i left so happy!<br><br>
sucks that you have to see them often. hugs to you!
 

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Sorry, I have nothing to add here, except for <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"> for those poor little babies.
 

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:puke<br><br>
A safety pin??!?? Seriously, he's not a piece of fabric. That might just be one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. It's like the rotten cherry on top of an already repulsive act. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"><br><br>
I wish I had advice for you. If it's perfectly legal in this country for pharmacists to refuse to fill a birth control pill prescription on "moral" grounds, then it should be perfectly legal for you to refuse to participate in circs. At the hospital I am delivering at, there are reportedly several OBs who flat out refuse to do the operation...I don't know about nurses, though, and whether they have the same "right" to refuse.
 

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I have never hear about a safety pin being used.That is horror upon an already unimaginable horror. It would be considered torture if with did this to anyone else.
 

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Not in this particular case they weren't. baby got sweet-ease though. That's the sugar water that's supposed to cure all pain. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">ok, if this isn't a joke post, I'll answer:<br><br>
REPORT THE DR TO THE MEDICAL BOARD!<br><br>
Safety pins are NOT proper equipment for circumcision! PERIOD.<br><br>
it is your duty to report any and all malpractice you may see, and safetypins are NOT proper procedure during Circ. AT ALL. The AMA and the APA BOTH have STRICT Guidelines on how a circ should be performed, and what instruments to use during a circ, and IT IS NOT SAFETYPINS. For the love of all that is sacred, report this quack.</div>
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<span style="color:#FF0000;">OMG!</span><br>
I always refused to assist with them. And told the doctors it was genital mutilation. It was not a problem for awhile then they said I had to assist......<br>
I went before the ethics commitee in my hospital, with documentation against circumcision. I was allowed to keep my job (they can not fire you for a true moral dilema, or religious/ philisophical conviction) and I DID NOT HAVE TO ASSIST WITH CIRCS!<br><br>
You can do it. Talk with your supervisor.
 
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