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Haven't I read that Dr. Spock said circumcision was not a good thing? Well, check out this page on his website.
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Anyone feel like writing a nastygram to Dr. Spock's website?
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Here are a few more pages from this site:
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,4449,00.html
"Generally the baby isn't fed for an hour before circumcision. This is to prevent spitting up, since the baby will be lying on his back for the procedure."
Or is it throwing up from overwhelming pain?
"There are moments of the circumcision that appear to be painful"
Their powers of observation under whelm me.
"Post-operative pain can be managed with infant acetaminophen (Tylenol), cuddling and allowing the baby to suck. Some babies seem sleepy or "out of it" for a day after the procedure."
Is cuddling and sucking some new anesthetic or pain management technique I haven't heard about? "Sleepy or out of it?" Is that correct speak terminology for shock?
"Circumcision is a very safe procedure, and serious complications are rare. Very rarely a major complication can occur due to surgical mishap."
Major like death, maybe? Well, we certainly don't want to alarm anyone, do we?
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,23691,00.html
"In the US, newborn circumcision is widely practiced, although the rates vary by region, from about 60 to as high as 90 percent. In contrast, in the UK only a quarter of newborns get circumcised, and in Canada, about half"
Where do they get their information??????? In the US, it's 38%-68%, in the UK, it's less than 1% and Canada, it's 17%. Exaggeration is common in circumcision information and discussions. It's obvious they are trying to subtly promote circumcision.
"Many parents worry that if they don't have their baby circumcised at birth he may need it later, when it would be more emotionally traumatic."
Yet, they don't mention that less than 1 in 10,000 will ever "need" it later.
"In 1999, an expert panel of the American Academy of Pediatrics concluded that circumcision does have some demonstrated medical benefits."
They concluded no such thing! They concluded the same thing they have been saying for 30 years. That is that there is no known medical benefits. There are no "demonstrated" medical benefits according to the AAP.
"However, the expert panel did not feel that these benefits were large enough to justify recommending circumcision for all baby boys."
Or any baby boys!
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,23689,00.html
"Topical anesthetic (EMLA.) cream can be put on about an hour before the procedure to numb the skin. This is the least invasive method of anesthesia, but isn't quite as effective as the other two methods."
Actually, it is totally worthless. It does nothing for surgical pain. That is not what it was designed for.
It is obvious that these people are the bottom feeders of the medical industry.
Frank
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,4449,00.html
"Generally the baby isn't fed for an hour before circumcision. This is to prevent spitting up, since the baby will be lying on his back for the procedure."
Or is it throwing up from overwhelming pain?
"There are moments of the circumcision that appear to be painful"
Their powers of observation under whelm me.
"Post-operative pain can be managed with infant acetaminophen (Tylenol), cuddling and allowing the baby to suck. Some babies seem sleepy or "out of it" for a day after the procedure."
Is cuddling and sucking some new anesthetic or pain management technique I haven't heard about? "Sleepy or out of it?" Is that correct speak terminology for shock?
"Circumcision is a very safe procedure, and serious complications are rare. Very rarely a major complication can occur due to surgical mishap."
Major like death, maybe? Well, we certainly don't want to alarm anyone, do we?
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,23691,00.html
"In the US, newborn circumcision is widely practiced, although the rates vary by region, from about 60 to as high as 90 percent. In contrast, in the UK only a quarter of newborns get circumcised, and in Canada, about half"
Where do they get their information??????? In the US, it's 38%-68%, in the UK, it's less than 1% and Canada, it's 17%. Exaggeration is common in circumcision information and discussions. It's obvious they are trying to subtly promote circumcision.
"Many parents worry that if they don't have their baby circumcised at birth he may need it later, when it would be more emotionally traumatic."
Yet, they don't mention that less than 1 in 10,000 will ever "need" it later.
"In 1999, an expert panel of the American Academy of Pediatrics concluded that circumcision does have some demonstrated medical benefits."
They concluded no such thing! They concluded the same thing they have been saying for 30 years. That is that there is no known medical benefits. There are no "demonstrated" medical benefits according to the AAP.
"However, the expert panel did not feel that these benefits were large enough to justify recommending circumcision for all baby boys."
Or any baby boys!
http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,23689,00.html
"Topical anesthetic (EMLA.) cream can be put on about an hour before the procedure to numb the skin. This is the least invasive method of anesthesia, but isn't quite as effective as the other two methods."
Actually, it is totally worthless. It does nothing for surgical pain. That is not what it was designed for.
It is obvious that these people are the bottom feeders of the medical industry.
Frank
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I woke up at 3 am when ds wanted to nurse and just couldn't get back to sleep thinking about the letter I want to write this website...and my OB friend who performs circs (but didn't circ her own two boys, go figure)....and my friends who circ for religious reasons....and my friends and SIL who circed to have baby look like daddy....and the rest of the frickin' universe.
Tomorrow night I'll probably be lying awake thinking about vaxxing, or formula feeding, or elective cesarians, or CIO.
How do we sleep at night knowing what we know?
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Tomorrow night I'll probably be lying awake thinking about vaxxing, or formula feeding, or elective cesarians, or CIO.
How do we sleep at night knowing what we know?
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A certain (small) percentage of the world population will "need" to have other varying body parts removed later on in life due to unforeseen conditions.
Let's just do them ALL NOW!
Why Wait.
Grrrrrrr . . .
Let's just do them ALL NOW!
Why Wait.
Grrrrrrr . . .
"Traditionally no anesthetic was used for circumcision. However, experts now agree that infants do feel pain. In studies that compared local anesthesia to no anesthetic, for example, the babies were found to cry less, maintain a more normal heart rate during the procedure, and were less irritable afterwards when local anesthesia was used."
Does it REALLY take a lot of research and testing to figure this out?
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Does it REALLY take a lot of research and testing to figure this out?
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Notice they say cry less, more normal and less irritable. Not that they didn't cry or had a normal heart rate or were not irritable. That means IT STILL HURTS LIKE HECK!
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I've just started checking in on this forum, as I had a little boy almost 4 weeks ago. I live in the UK, so circumcision was never an issue - I know absolutely noone over here who would even consider it (thankfully).
But reading these threads j ust makes me want to cry (and hold ds tightly). I just can't imagine doing that to my little boy.
But what do you say to friends? I was talking to a friend last night who is pregnant with her 3rd boy. Her first two are circumcised, as is her dh. She doersn't like the idea, but doesn't see how she can not circumcise this little boy.
I encouraged her to change her mind, and work on her dh, but - what else can you do?
But reading these threads j ust makes me want to cry (and hold ds tightly). I just can't imagine doing that to my little boy.
But what do you say to friends? I was talking to a friend last night who is pregnant with her 3rd boy. Her first two are circumcised, as is her dh. She doersn't like the idea, but doesn't see how she can not circumcise this little boy.
I encouraged her to change her mind, and work on her dh, but - what else can you do?
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Dear Carolyn,
You might start by giving her a copy of the following article:
http://www.mothering.com/10-0-0/html...cision85.shtml
I remember reading Dr. Spock's book over twenty years ago and he said that a child under the age of two could not master the turning motion it took to open a doorknob, a tube of toothpaste, a bottle of shampoo, etc. I wonder how he would have explained all those messes from their opening all kinds of twist tops!
I guess my kids forgot to read that book. :LOL
You might start by giving her a copy of the following article:
http://www.mothering.com/10-0-0/html...cision85.shtml
I remember reading Dr. Spock's book over twenty years ago and he said that a child under the age of two could not master the turning motion it took to open a doorknob, a tube of toothpaste, a bottle of shampoo, etc. I wonder how he would have explained all those messes from their opening all kinds of twist tops!
I guess my kids forgot to read that book. :LOL
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Carolyn:
It surprises me that she can even find someone to do it. The circumcision rate there is less than 1% and almost all of those are Muslims or Jews. Is she or her husband Muslim, Jewish or American?
The circumcision rate there edged to just over 50% during the WWII era but fell quickly after the war and was pretty much gone by the mid 1950's. It's odd that her husband would be circumcised as most of the men of that era are beyond childbearing age. Is it of no importance to her that there will be almost none of his peers who will be circumcised? the only reason there that makes any sense is the religious justification.
While there is considerable furor here about circumcision, I thought it was a dead issue there. I can't imagine being the only one that is circumcised. That would do nasty things to my brain. I can't imagine how it would make me feel about my parents.
Have you checked out the British Medical Association website? They have had some pretty strong things to say about circumcision of newborns/infants.
Frank
It surprises me that she can even find someone to do it. The circumcision rate there is less than 1% and almost all of those are Muslims or Jews. Is she or her husband Muslim, Jewish or American?
The circumcision rate there edged to just over 50% during the WWII era but fell quickly after the war and was pretty much gone by the mid 1950's. It's odd that her husband would be circumcised as most of the men of that era are beyond childbearing age. Is it of no importance to her that there will be almost none of his peers who will be circumcised? the only reason there that makes any sense is the religious justification.
While there is considerable furor here about circumcision, I thought it was a dead issue there. I can't imagine being the only one that is circumcised. That would do nasty things to my brain. I can't imagine how it would make me feel about my parents.
Have you checked out the British Medical Association website? They have had some pretty strong things to say about circumcision of newborns/infants.
Frank
Last Minute - thanks for the article. The sad thing is - I think she's read all the research, hates the idea of circumcision, but is going along because of her dh.
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Frankly Speaking - I should have explained...I'm American, living in the UK. My friend is American, and lives in quite a conservative area of the States, so most other little boys in her area are circumcised...which is one of the reasons she feels better about going along with her dh...
Frankly Speaking - I should have explained...I'm American, living in the UK. My friend is American, and lives in quite a conservative area of the States, so most other little boys in her area are circumcised...which is one of the reasons she feels better about going along with her dh...
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Mmmm Huh. And one of these days she may get to explain that she did it because the Pattersons, who moved away 14 years ago, did their son. Or even worse, because some kids who they have never met were. Yup! Makes a lot of sense to me. NOT!
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ITA, sometimes it is hard, especially when you hear about something on the news/in the paper, and I think of the fear going thru a poor child's heart and mind as some stupid adult (usually the parent who is supposed to love and protect them - which is why I hate the smarmy saying "well, we all want what is best for our children." NOT!) is doing whatever horrible thing to them that got them in the news. Makes me want to puke.
I don't understand how someone can carry a baby for 9 months and then lop off their body parts without a second thought.
Back to topic - UGH! to Dr. Spock too.
Melanie
| Originally posted by Jane Tomorrow night I'll probably be lying awake thinking about vaxxing, or formula feeding, or elective cesarians, or CIO. How do we sleep at night knowing what we know?
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I don't understand how someone can carry a baby for 9 months and then lop off their body parts without a second thought.
Back to topic - UGH! to Dr. Spock too.
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I dont get it either. I told someone that "my son was born perfect, why do I need to lop anything off of my precious boy?" But then I was being "judgemental."
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: If feeling sorry for innocent victims (babies) is being judgemental then so be it!
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Dr. Spock is just out there, and other doctors like him just say what pays, or whats the fad a the moment, and being as famous as he is, I doubt he says what he truly believes, rather is pro circ or not
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