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La Leche League International<br><br>
Contact: 847-519-7730: Mary Lofton , <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, ext. 271<br><br><a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pbertucci21apr21,0,3523245.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines" target="_blank">http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Mary Lofton, a spokeswoman for the breastfeeding advocacy group La Leche League International, said her organization fields occasional complaints about these incidents, but it doesn't keep statistics.<br><br>
The bias, Lofton thinks, doesn't necessarily come from the exposure of the breast as much as it is that the child is being fed at the breast.<br><br>
"We try to be very understanding and sensitive to this," Lofton said. "We talk to [new mothers] about <b>discreet nursing</b>."</td>
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LLL Statement that included contact info::<br><br><a href="http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.org/SIDS/AAP-SIDS-LLLI-response.htm" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeedingtaskforla.or...I-response.htm</a><br><br><br>
I just sent a short (nice <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">: ) e-mail that basically said I think what she said in the BRR article about being discreet is unhelpful to the acceptance of NIPing.
 

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They do leave it up to the discretion of the mother to decide what is discreet.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">They do leave it up to the discretion of the mother to decide what is discreet.</div>
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How kind of them <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> . But the implication is that this mother was somehow not being discreet, and this is something that has to be explained to us or we would all be waving our boobies at unsespecting diners <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">: . If a mom asks LLL how can I nurse so I don't attract unwanted attention, fine, but I don't think what Lofton said belongs in public statement.
 

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That irks me! I wish she just talked about the laws protecting nursing moms and the benefits for both. I'm hoping she did talk about all that but possibly had her comments edited. BF'ing moms need support whether or not they choose to be discreet.
 

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I'm actually pretty apalled. Where is a new mother to go where she isn't exposed to this crap? La Leche League is putting forth this "discretion" nonsense, now?<br><br>
I sent a not-so-nice note, because I think they need to get their heads on straight.<br><br><i>Dear Ms. Lofton-<br><br>
I hope there's no problem with my contacting you directly. I'm pregnant with my second child, and after nursing my first (now 9 years old!) through toddlerhood, I'd naturally assumed I'd re-join La Leche League with this baby as well. A recent statement you made in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, however, is causing me to reconsider. Apparently you made a point of stating that one of the things La Leche League does is "talk to new mothers about discreet nursing."<br><br>
I'm of Arabic and Italian ancestry and have traveled extensively outside of the U.S., in both Europe and the Middle East. Nowhere else have I seen this preoccupation with supposed "discretion" that rules the day in the U.S. where breastfeeding is concerned. In my opinion, American attitudes towards nursing in public approach the pathological, and any organization that panders to those attitudes is not an organization that I can support.<br><br>
I can imagine that many first-time mothers contact La Leche League for support regarding nursing in public. To expose those mothers to a culture of shame by touting the concept of "discretion" is, in my opinion, a sad misuse of your organization's credibility.<br><br>
I hope to hear that this bias has been corrected, before I will feel comfortable joining, donating to, or recommending your organization.<br><br>
Sincerely,<br>
XXX</i>
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbsup"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/truedat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Truedat"> Great letter!!
 

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After reading the article, I'm thinking that the writer may have edited Ms. Lofton's remarks so that it only included those two sentences for that paragraph.<br><br>
Having been to LLL mtgs for almost 5 years now, I have never once heard a Leader say "you need to be discreet" or "this is how you nurse discreetly." All I have heard is that when a mother says they're not comfortable nursing in public, here are some ideas that may help, including nursing in front of a mirror so you can really see what it looks like and nursing in front of a close relative so they can tell you what it looks like.<br><br>
I think that her words were probably edited, and perhaps she said something after the statement about talking to mothers about being discreet, to indicate it's not all they talk about.<br><br>
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I do not think the LLL representative was implying that nursing under a blanket was not discreet.<br><br>
I think the concept of being discreet is a necessary in our current society. Many people will be turned off from nursing completely by some immodest mothers.<br><br>
While I'd like to see things change here so that a woman never has to worry about being harassed in public for nursing I think its a slow and gradual change.<br><br>
A blanket isn't necessary but discretion is or we are likely to turn off the very people we want to convert.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I think that her words were probably edited, and perhaps she said something after the statement about talking to mothers about being discreet, to indicate it's not all they talk about.</td>
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But conversely if moms are too discreet (whatever that means) and no one ever sees nursing, it cannot become normal.<br><br>
I'm not sure what to do with that contradiction.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I do not think the LLL representative was implying that nursing under a blanket was not discreet.</div>
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The irony is than nursing under a blanket is NOT discreet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> , you are announcing to everyone what you are doing under there.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I think the concept of being discreet is a necessary in our current society. Many people will be turned off from nursing completely by some immodest mothers.<br><br>
A blanket isn't necessary but discretion is or we are likely to turn off the very people we want to convert.<br>
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American culture, as far as NIPing is concerned, IS to be discreet. But you cannot qualify discretion because everyone's definition is different. Besides, NIPing mothers will be a vunerable position to be in as long as it is socially acceptable to walk up to a nursing mother and tell her that she isn't being discreet enough.
 

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My experience with LLL is that Leaders talk to new mothers about discreet breastfeeding because new mothers <i>ask</i> about discreet breastfeeding. I wonder if ML was trying to say that when asked, LLL tries to meet mothers where they are. It didn't come out that way in the article, though!
 

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I don't believe that it's LLLI's position to advise mothers to nurse under a blanket. LLLI's publication "Breastfeeding in Public" has the following paragraph regarding nursing under a blanket:<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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As a mother, nurse, and lactivist, I greatly appreciate the enormous strides that La Leche League has made not only in the US, but around the world. If a representative was misquoted, or her quotes were edited, or even if she just said some outlandish thing (which I don't think she did), don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Where would we be in the US *without* La Leche League?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">As a mother, nurse, and lactivist, I greatly appreciate the enormous strides that La Leche League has made not only in the US, but around the world. If a representative was misquoted, or her quotes were edited, or even if she just said some outlandish thing (which I don't think she did), don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Where would we be in the US *without* La Leche League?</div>
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EXACTLY! Thank you. Public statements that I have made on camera and in news articles have been edited to make it sound like I was implying something that I wasn't. This is extremely common in order to heighten the news worthiness of the news piece. Many reporters often have less than 24 hours to get a news article out there and often don't take the time to understand the issue entirely either. So, sometimes it's unintended. As someone who holds LLL very dearly in her heart for what it has done for me and my family, I hope that people don't hold the whole organization accountable for what one person says about one issue.<br><br>
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I hear what you're saying, but I do think that a very strong message needs to be sent that LLLI--one of the <i>only</i> good resources American mothers have for breastfeeding support and info--cannot cannot <i>cannot</i> hop on this "discretion" bandwagon and expect its members to just say "Oh, OK."<br><br>
If they were misquoted/taken out of context they need the address that with the article's author.<br><br>
If their position was misrepresented, then they need to make clear what their position actually <i>is.</i><br><br>
Wasn't there a LLLI rep present at the meeting with Ronald McDonald House, where the RMH reps were allowed to chip away at Texas breastfeeding legislation by trotting out a lot of "as long as she's discreet" hooha that I for one found <i>completely</i> offensive? This leads me to ask: Where is LLLI when right are being violated in the name of "discretion"?<br><br>
Sure, we could all just say "well, they're the best thing we have so let's not complain when they fall short," but I happen to think enough of LLLI that I <i>expect better</i> from them.
 

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"This leads me to ask: Where is LLLI when right are being violated in the name of "discretion"?"<br><br>
In at least one state, an LLLI Founding Mother (who is also a lawyer) worked for years on BFIP legislation. When the state legislature tried to add "discreet" to the law's wording, she and other LLLLs were quick to object, with reasons why, and effective enough to have the law stand as originally written.<br><br>
The RMH, I don't know so much about. I'm not thrilled with what I understand to be the outcome, not happy at all.
 

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Silly thought here, what if lactivists went around saying "I'm okay with people being uncomfortable with breastfeeding as long as they're discreet about it."?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I hear what you're saying, but I do think that a very strong message needs to be sent that LLLI--one of the <i>only</i> good resources American mothers have for breastfeeding support and info--cannot cannot <i>cannot</i> hop on this "discretion" bandwagon and expect its members to just say "Oh, OK."<br><br>
If they were misquoted/taken out of context they need the address that with the article's author.<br><br>
If their position was misrepresented, then they need to make clear what their position actually <i>is.</i><br><br>
Wasn't there a LLLI rep present at the meeting with Ronald McDonald House, where the RMH reps were allowed to chip away at Texas breastfeeding legislation by trotting out a lot of "as long as she's discreet" hooha that I for one found <i>completely</i> offensive? This leads me to ask: Where is LLLI when right are being violated in the name of "discretion"?<br><br>
Sure, we could all just say "well, they're the best thing we have so let's not complain when they fall short," but I happen to think enough of LLLI that I <i>expect better</i> from them.</div>
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XXX,<br><br>
It has struck me that I think you don't completely understand what a LLL Leader does and who she is, or for that matter, what LLLI does as an organization. A LLL Leader is a mother who has breastfed her child for at least a year (in most cases) and is interested in helping support other mothers in this journey. She then goes through a certification process through LLLI. Her role is to educate, support and encourage women to breastfeed their children. Period.<br><br>
The Leader that was there at the RMH wasn't there as a lactivist representing all women's rights in the state of Texas. The Leader was there as a support person for the two mothers that are nursing their babies in the RMH. They wanted someone there, just as I would if I were in that situation, to help moderate a discussion that was occurring between the two parties, to aide in communication. She was there in a role of support. The outcome that occurred was not ideal in many people's opinions, but that wasn't the responsibility of the Leader. The final agreement was made between the two parties involved. It looks like they found middle ground, which at the time, was the best solution available.<br><br>
LLL Leaders are not this monolith that all agree with each other. They are <i>individuals</i> who, like it or not, have opinions. They range from all religions, political persuasions, backgrounds and cultures. Of course! How better to reach mothers where they are at. Some mothers feel that nursing should be discreet...so, it's not a surprise that a Leader might feel the same way. Everyone doesn't have to like that or agree with it. Does that diminish the role of the Leader helping a mother to breastfeed? IMO, I don't think so. I don't happen to feel that nursing has to be or can be discreet 100% of the time; however, I don't demand that everyone has to agree with me either.<br><br>
Please remember that LLL Leaders are <i>unpaid volunteers</i> who work very hard many hours every month to help mothers breastfeed. I'm sure it's hard for them to read such callous criticism when all they are doing is trying to help out of the goodness of their hearts.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Please remember that LLL Leaders are <i>unpaid volunteers</i> who work very hard many hours every month to help mothers breastfeed. I'm sure it's hard for them to read such callous criticism when all they are doing is trying to help out of the goodness of their hearts.<br><br>
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Hear, hear!
 

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Silly thought here, what if lactivists went around saying "I'm okay with people being uncomfortable with breastfeeding as long as they're discreet about it."?</div>
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this is awesome i love it because i am still having trouble BIP and geting the support i need from others my daughter doesnt enjoy being put under a blanket at all as a matter a fact she quickly removes it from the both of us. any advice or pointers i hate going to the car or a dressing room and refuse to go in the public restrooms<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hide.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hide">: -gross-<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/saynovax.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="no vax"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bfinfant.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bfinfant">: 7 months<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/familybed1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Familybed1"> aba therapist<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/ribbonjigsaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="autism">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/autismribbon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="autism ribbon"> duece<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dog2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dog">: joker<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dog2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dog">: sahm<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dishes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dishes">
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">It has struck me that I think you don't completely understand what a LLL Leader does and who she is, or for that matter, what LLLI does as an organization. A LLL Leader is a mother who has breastfed her child for at least a year (in most cases) and is interested in helping support other mothers in this journey. She then goes through a certification process through LLLI. Her role is to educate, support and encourage women to breastfeed their children. Period.<br><br>
The Leader that was there at the RMH wasn't there as a lactivist representing all women's rights in the state of Texas. The Leader was there as a support person for the two mothers that are nursing their babies in the RMH. They wanted someone there, just as I would if I were in that situation, to help moderate a discussion that was occurring between the two parties, to aide in communication. She was there in a role of support. The outcome that occurred was not ideal in many people's opinions, but that wasn't the responsibility of the Leader. The final agreement was made between the two parties involved. It looks like they found middle ground, which at the time, was the best solution available.<br><br><b>LLL Leaders are not this monolith that all agree with each other. They are individuals who, like it or not, have opinions. They range from all religions, political persuasions, backgrounds and cultures. Of course! How better to reach mothers where they are at. Some mothers feel that nursing should be discreet...so, it's not a surprise that a Leader might feel the same way. Everyone doesn't have to like that or agree with it. Does that diminish the role of the Leader helping a mother to breastfeed? IMO, I don't think so.</b> I don't happen to feel that nursing has to be or can be discreet 100% of the time; however, I don't demand that everyone has to agree with me either.<br><br><b>Please remember that LLL Leaders are unpaid volunteers who work very hard many hours every month to help mothers breastfeed</b>. I'm sure it's hard for them to read such callous criticism when all they are doing is trying to help out of the goodness of their hearts.<br><br>
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bolding is mine<br><br>
*thank you* for saying that. i'm not a LLL Leader, but one saved my mom's nursing relationship with my brother during a bout of mastitis, and one helped me tremendously to manage a severely cracked nipple when i began my nursing relationship with DD. I know lots of women can afford to spend hundreds of dollars for private lactation consultants, but neither my mom nor I were in a position to do that, and the support and advice we received from LLL volunteers made it possible for us to continue nursing. They deserve a lot of credit for what they do, and while i agree that pushing a 'discreet nursing' agenda is not what is best for mamas or for our society as a whole, i don't think it's appropriate to cast negativity on such a valuable organization based on the comments of one person - comments that may have been misrepresented anyway.
 
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