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Two stories out of Denver public schools recently. One relating to their <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/technology/ci_8442882" target="_blank">gifted and talented programs</a>, and one relating to <a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/06/simple-kiss-at-school-may-morph-into-police-case/" target="_blank">kissing</a>. Seriously.<br><br>
On a related note, in light of the hubub in California, if you're interested learning about your state's position on homeschooling, check out <a href="http://HSLDA.org/laws" target="_blank">HSLDA.org</a> for the specifics on your state regs.
 

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In high school we had "no PDA's", not displays of public affection, which was anything from kissing to hugging a friend or holding hands.<br><br>
Looking back, I can't believe it was instituted but we had a new principal and he enacted a lot of fairly strict rules. I am experiencing a similar style of leadership at my dd's school. We put her in school cause she needed more than what i was currently able to give her but it sure backfired on me. Dd is coming home next year! This principal says she wants to work with the community and parents but her actions say otherwise. so sad.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why is increasing the minority participation in the GT program a bad thing?</div>
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i was wondering that, too.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why is increasing the minority participation in the GT program a bad thing?</div>
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I think that is great what Denver is doing! Many families who find themselves in the jungle of the gifted find out real quick that there is a huge price tag put on a lot if it--testing, schools, are all super expensive. If you are not familiar with our culture or cannot afford basic needs--gifted testing and the needs of your gifted child just might not be something you can focus on.<br><br>
I see the moves on Denver's part as really positive!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i was wondering that, too.</div>
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Me too.
 

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Yeah. I read that article and got the feeling that they were trying to reach out to an underserved population of gifted students. It may not be perfect, but it sounds like positive progress.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">On a related note, in light of the hubub in California, if you're interested learning about your state's position on homeschooling, check out <a href="http://HSLDA.org/laws" target="_blank">HSLDA.org</a> for the specifics on your state regs.</div>
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I'd rather go to:<br><a href="http://californiahomeschool.net/howTo/updates.htm" target="_blank">http://californiahomeschool.net/howTo/updates.htm</a><br><br>
or<br><br><a href="http://www.hsc.org/appellatedecision" target="_blank">http://www.hsc.org/appellatedecision</a>
 

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My brother didn't get into a gifted program because he didn't know how much a ton was. The tests do need to be tweaked so they aren't testing for knowledge instead of intelligence. Things like not having a bunch of farm animal questions given to kids who live in cities.<br><br>
I don't know that kissing has ever been permitted in schools, but it would be nice if kindergarten kids didn't get suspended for sexual harassment.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">
 

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My point about the GT program was related to the lack of excellence it inspires. I don't think it's fair to the truly gifted students when the administration give special exception to minority students just to keep the racial groups equally represented. The program in Denver doesn't have anything to do with allowing minority students more opportunities to excell, it has to do with giving less-intellegent students (I am NOT saying minority students are less intellegent) access to a program in which they are not able to excell just to keep it PC. In my experience, access to GT in lower school has little to do with finances. I was in GT because my teacher said, "Hey, you should take some accelerated classes because you look bored." My family (single mother, 3 kids) was in no way financially well off, but I excelled in advanced placement from 5th grade through graduation. Money is not the issue, dumbing down the program so that it looks more racially appealing is.<br><br>
And I agree we shouldn't be encouraging our little ones to run around kissing each other - but suspension? Sexual harassment? I think the administrations of too many public schools are taking their power to an extreme in an attempt to futher sanitize the lives of our children. It's gotten out of control and as parents our lack of a fair alternative is disgusting.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My point about the GT program was related to the lack of excellence it inspires. I don't think it's fair to the truly gifted students when the administration give special exception to minority students just to keep the racial groups equally represented.</div>
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That's not necessarily the case. One could just as easily say that they are trying to find HG kids that slip through the cracks of traditional testing.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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This is the case only if you assume traditional testing methods are the only way to measure intelligence and if you believe that intelligence can be measured by achievement tests (as opposed to individual IQ tests). Disclaimer: my oldest child is a least HG, probably EG and would be picked up by either kind of testing method; I am not saying they serve no purpose, but rather that achievement tests in particular are not necessarily a good measure of potential.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Kids from higher income families tend to have have more experiences in the kinds of things that help them test well on achievement tests. I don't know about Denver in particular; however, there is a strong correlation between parent advocacy (advocacy in general too) and SES. So yes, in most cases, being from higher SES levels help.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Who said the <i>program</i> is being dumbed down? If it were, as a parent involved in the system, I would have a problem. But it's not enough to assume that the inclusion of more children from historically under identified populations will precipitate the dumbing down of the program.
 

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I'm closing this thread. This forum is for talking about homeschooling, not schools. If you would like to start another dicussion of this topic, please do so in the appropriate forum.<br><br>
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