[MaryLang]

Has anyone else heard speculation about this day? I've seen it brought up on HeadLine News and its been in the Wall Street Journal. I don't know if I can post links, its all speculation about Irans date of Arrmegedon.

 

[chersolly]

I'll be in a Wentworth ******/Dominic Purcell-incuded coma on that day.

 

[lisalou]

I believe people who believe in the Rapture count August 22nd as 40 days after the fighting. They're hoping or believing that Iran will enter into the frey hopefully with nuclear weapons so armageddon will start and they can be raptured to heaven. But I could be wrong.

 

[MaryLang]

Hmmmm. Thats interesting. This is one of the things I read : August22

 

[mahdokht]

tripe.

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[lisalou]

Bernard Lewis is um, an interesting person. I'll leave it at that. Not someone I would rely on for an unbiased interpretation of anything in the Middle East.

 

[tayndrewsmama]

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Originally Posted by lisalou I believe people who believe in the Rapture count August 22nd as 40 days after the fighting. They're hoping or believing that Iran will enter into the frey hopefully with nuclear weapons so armageddon will start and they can be raptured to heaven. But I could be wrong.

Uh, okay.

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[merpk]

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Originally Posted by lisalou Bernard Lewis is um, an interesting person. I'll leave it at that. Not someone I would rely on for an unbiased interpretation of anything in the Middle East.

What about him? I've read a number of his books, and one was the text to a course in Middle Eastern History in college back in the '80s ... with an Arab Muslim professor, who didn't seem to mind his work. Though admittedly I don't keep up with his opinion pieces and the like, so ...

 

[Finch]

I heard this a few days ago, I have it circled on my calendar. I'll be watching.

 

[Ruthla]

Gee, and I thought it was August 3rd we had to worry about. Are they going to keep changing the date when Armaggeddon doesn't happen?

 

[sweetpea333]

i heard this too on glen beck, i was alittle scared about it especially when the leader of iran said he wouldn't answer the question about having nuclear weapons until the 22...

 

[Anuska]

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I believe people who believe in the Rapture count August 22nd as 40 days after the fighting. They're hoping or believing that Iran will enter into the frey hopefully with nuclear weapons so armageddon will start and they can be raptured to heaven. But I could be wrong.

I've never heard this. Where did you get that information? This August 22 date comes from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23533

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has frustrated Western officials by refusing to reply to their offer of various incentives in exchange for Iran's discarding its nuclear program until August 22. The Western governments had asked Ahmadinejad to reply by June 29; why would Tehran need two extra months? Farid Ghadry, the president of the Reform Party of Syria, has offered a provocative explanation for this delay. He asserts that the Supreme National Security Council of Iran chose the August 22 date "for a very precise reason. August 21, 2006 (Rajab 27, 1427) is known in the Islamic calendar as the Night of the Sira'a and Miira'aj, the night Prophet Mohammed (saas) ascended to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on a Bourak (Half animal, half man), while a great light lit-up the night sky, and visited Heaven and Hell also Beit al-Saada and Beit al-Shaqaa (House of Happiness and House of Misery) and then descended back to Mecca.…"

I'm thinking not much will happen on that date.....later on however I really wonder. Some real crazy stuff is being talked about and we know how Ahmadinejad hates Israel and America.

 

[kama'aina mama]

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Originally Posted by Ruthla Gee, and I thought it was August 3rd we had to worry about. Are they going to keep changing the date when Armaggeddon doesn't happen?

That reminded me of tha one cult leader in the 80's (I think) who kept leading his flock to the top of a hill to be saved before the end of the world. He always had really specific dates/times. The crowd on the hill did thin noticeably after a few failures...

 

[lula]

What I don't get in all of these "knowledge of specific time/date" schemes is this:

These people KNOW specific times/dates of the Rapture, End Times etc. because they have some half-cocked notion of all this supposed prophecy in the Bible. But the Bible also has a verse that says that no man knows the time that the end shall come except God the Father, not even Jesus is supposed to know.(sorry for not having a more clear verse quotation here, I am just recalling that this particular verse is New Testament in the same books that all the End Times stuff is quoted from)

So how does this work even on a theological level? I am always reassured when I hear specfic dates/times because it makes me feel safer. Kind of like "whew, at least today is NOT the day, too many people think it is already so God won't be picking today."

Heck, supposedly the Apostles thought that the end was going to come in their lifetime.

Crap, has anybody seen the VanImpe group on TV? It is set up like some news station but is all about relating the news to the Rapture/End Times. At first I thought it was a comic sketch but no it's real...

 

[MaryLang]

The thing thats scary about when they set dates is that this guy thinks if he creates the chaos that the messiah will come just the same. He wants to create the chaos to assure the rapture happens, so the dates can have some significance, because they will make it happen.

 

[DebraBaker]

Anytime a kook sets a date, be assured, there is nothing to worry about.

I'd be more concerned about 20 April when the homegrown kooks celebrate Hitler's birthday.

 

[ChasingPeace]

Isn't the Night of Power during Ramadan? Ramadan doesn't start for awhile.

 

[lisalou]

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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace Isn't the Night of Power during Ramadan? Ramadan doesn't start for awhile.

I did do some reading on Islamic beliefs for the end of the world on a link I believe Makhdot provided and it's supposed to be halfway through Ramadan or at least during it. But I'm sure if you're waiting for the Hidden Imam to come back and depending on what sect of Shi'ism you believe it could be different.

Bernard Lewis is one of the main people explaining to the Bush administration how Arabs and Muslims are. Lewis and Edward Said got into a dispute for awhile. Generally he's considered a bit of an Orientalist in some circles. One comment he made was that Arabs needed to be hit between the eyes as strongly as possible b/c power is only thing that Arabs understand.

 

[tayndrewsmama]

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Originally Posted by lisalou Bernard Lewis is one of the main people explaining to the Bush administration how Arabs and Muslims are. Lewis and Edward Said got into a dispute for awhile. Generally he's considered a bit of an Orientalist in some circles. One comment he made was that Arabs needed to be hit between the eyes as strongly as possible b/c power is only thing that Arabs understand.

What?! How in the world could anyone take someone who would say that with an ounce of credibility? Well, I suppose I should keep in mind who is taking his word, but otherwise, that's absurd.

 

[Anuska]

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Originally posted by lula:These people KNOW specific times/dates of the Rapture, End Times etc. because they have some half-cocked notion of all this supposed prophecy in the Bible.

WHat are you talking about? Who are "these people". Did I miss a link? It seems only Ahmadinejad is setting this particular date...and others are then only speculating.

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But the Bible also has a verse that says that no man knows the time that the end shall come except God the Father, not even Jesus is supposed to know.(sorry for not having a more clear verse quotation here, I am just recalling that this particular verse is New Testament in the same books that all the End Times stuff is quoted from)

I believe that is absolutely true, of course no one knows when the end of the world will happen, if it indeed will. Its obvious that any "date-setters" are just off on wild tangents and getting wrapped up in sensationalistic end time madness.

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So how does this work even on a theological level? I am always reassured when I hear specific dates/times because it makes me feel safer. Kind of like "whew, at least today is NOT the day, too many people think it is already so God won't be picking today

I don't think there is any "theological level" here. Some individuals just feel the need to set dates for reasons I gave above. Just because a day passes without the doom predicted wouldn't exactly make me feel any safer.....because none of us knows what is to come.

Just live life, keep peaceful, and remember that millions of people have gone thru wars, famines, destruction, troubles in the past. And yes, thank God they kept having babies.