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I apologize if this is a common topic; the search isn't working, and my browsing was fruitless.<br><br>
I switched from electrasol tabs to Seventh Gen. after hearing on NPR that chlorine in detergents can interact with food proteins to form chloroform (dispersed into the house in the nice lemony-fresh dishwasher steam!) Troubling. Also, I have heard phosphates are bad, but I don't know why (if someone does know, please share!)<br>
Palmolive "Eco" does contain chlorine (but no phosphates). All the others that I saw today in the regular grocery store contain at least phosphates; no mention of chlorine on most of the labels.<br><br>
Seventh Gen isn't too expensive... but honestly, it's not cleaning my dishes very well, and my glasses are turning hazy. Has anyone had better luck with another cleaner? Is it worth using the Seventh Gen because of the phosphates?<br><br>
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i use a little baking soda and vinegar in my dishwasher. my glasses used to be hazy until i stopped using the heat dry function.
 

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I use 365 (i think) from whole foods or Trader Joes brand... both without phosphates or chlorine. It took me a while to get used to my glasses not smelling like chlorine when i would lift it up to my mouth... i guess my whole life I had associated that with "clean." Now my glasses just smell like nothing (yeah!). You have to use more than with the chlorine/phosphate brands - maybe that will help... I also still use JetDry...
 

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I use Ecover dishwasher tabs. One of my local grocery stores has it. Or you can order it online, or get it for an even better price from a Frontier Co-op.<br><br>
I can't remember what the deal with chlorine and phosphates is, they mess up with ecosystem in the water...the fungi/algae don't grow right and then everything on up the food chain gets messed up.
 

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Phosphates area a major source of water pollution. The basic problem is that they cause algae to grow out of control:<br><br><i>From Chemistry of the Environment, Spiro & Stigliani, Prentice Hall, 1996</i><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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This is referring to industrial waste, but the use of phosphates in detergents ending up in our waterways contributes to this. Over spreading of lawn fertilizeres (and spraying it on hard surfaces like pavement) also puts phosphates in our water.<br><br>
Phosphates to me are a bigger issue than chlorine, it's really important to me - I've been using the Palmolive Eco... I'm not keen on the whole chloroform vapor though. Blech!
 

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Thank you, Collisnky-- My in-laws back yard pond occasionally has these unexplained algae explosions... I wonder if these are caused by the excess phosphates?<br><br>
granolapunk, I wondered about this: do you use them on an empty cycle, or with detergent, or bak soda and vin to actually clean the dishes?<br><br>
I'll give ecover a try. Thanks, everyone!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">granolapunk, I wondered about this: do you use them on an empty cycle, or with detergent, or bak soda and vin to actually clean the dishes?</div>
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I don't use any detergent, I just put baking soda in the main wash compartment and pour vinegar in the open cup. cleans great!
 

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I use the Ecover powder and it works great. I've gotten it at the HFS, but recently got some from Frontier which was much cheaper.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't use any detergent, I just put baking soda in the main wash compartment and pour vinegar in the open cup. cleans great!</div>
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I'm going to give this a try... I'd love it if every single thing in my home was cleaned with baking soda and/or vinegar! Talk about streamlined...
 

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Me too. I'm going to give the baking soda and vinegar a try too. The giant bag of baking soda at Costco is on my list for my next trip there.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm going to give this a try... I'd love it if every single thing in my home was cleaned with baking soda and/or vinegar! Talk about streamlined...</div>
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I use it for the dishwasher, laundry and general cleaning around the house. I love it! I add some Dr. Bronner's occasionally as well.
 

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I've been using either Trader Joe's or Whole Foods' powder. Neither works as well as I'd like but I don't want the crap.<br><br>
I found they both work better with JetDry than with vinegar or Ecover's Rinse Aid.<br><br>
I did try the Palmolive Eco and wasn't overly impressed with that either. Nor did I like the BioKleen powder. I just had to decided that I needed to trade the expectation of UBER CLEAN with the planet friendly-ness of the alternatives.<br><br>
Maybe I'll give the Shaklee or the Ecover Tabs a try.
 

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I didn't care for 7th gen either, and went back to the little electrosol dry tablets. But they are spendy, and I need to find something else to use.
 

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I tried the baking soda/vinegar on Saturday; it worked so well!<br>
I did try to avoid leaving chunks on food on the dishes before running the washer, but I did not do an extenstive pre-scrubbing. I filled the closed disenser with soda and the open dispenser with vin; I also splashed some into the bottom of the washer. The dishes came out cleaner and less cloudy than with Seventh Gen cleaner. I wouldn't say it's *better* than Cascade of Electrasol, but for the cost of baking soda and vinegar, I'll be sticking with this! I was a little concerned that there might be an unpleasant smell, but I didn't notice anything at all in the steam or on the dishes.<br>
Thanks, granolapunk! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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