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I also posted this in the February DDC, so sorry for cross-posting!<br><br>
I live in a large city and do not have a car. We rely on public transit (subway, bus, trolley) and share a car (through Phillycarshare.org), which we reserve twice a month for errands.<br><br>
I know for most of the gear (CD, bassinet, etc.), it doesn't matter where you live. The big issue I am having is picking out a stroller. I have been told by other urban parents that you must have a stroller that has large wheels (for getting over cracks in sidewalk, curbs, etc.) I found a <a href="http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_6/602-9517885-4824648?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B000JJLFHY" target="_blank">stroller</a> I like, which is pricey, but not as bad as the bugaboo.<br>
Now I am struggling with an infant car seat. We will rarely use this seat in the first few months--maybe only once or twice. The car <a href="http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=sc_ri_1/602-9517885-4824648?ie=UTF8&asin=B000F1QRII" target="_blank">seat</a> that matches this stroller is $200. I know absolutely nothing about car seats. Do I have to buy the car seat that "goes with" this stroller? Should I just borrow one from a friend, and buy a regular car seat (not infant) later?<br><br>
Also, because we will always be borrowing or renting a car, is there a car seat out there that is best for always using a different car. I know that many people use these accessory bases, but it sounds like this is only if you use the same car.<br>
Thoughts?
 

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My two cents: DON'T BUY A STROLLER! At least not yet. Borrow one if you can for a couple days and see how hard it is to navigate city streets, public transit, etc etc, with a stroller--it's really hard. Spend the money on a really good baby carrier (or a couple: I'd recommend getting a pouch of some sort, a Hotsling maybe, and an Ergo or Beco) and just use that for the first couple months--the first year, really. We don't live in a big city, and we still didn't use our stroller, except for very occasional walks around the neighborhood, for the first year: we slung the baby everywhere. Now that ds insists on the stroller, I do take it places, and I really miss the sling days! It's hell.<br><br><br>
As for the car seat, then yes--I would borrow the infant car seat from a trustworthy friend. ds outgrew his by 4 months. Spend the $$ (or get your parents to buy you) a good convertible seat. Then you can get one of those frame strollers that you clip the infant seat into, for the occasional walk or whatever--there are always tons of them on Craigslist, for really cheap. If you want a stroller later, you can get one on Craigslist too--one that isn't a "travel system" that takes the infant car seat. There's no reason to spend full price on a stroller, IMO. You never see used slings online, though, so rather spend the $ on that.<br><br>
Off my ranting soapbox now. HTH.
 

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Thanks for the advice!<br>
In the back of my mind, I was thinking that it would be easier just using a sling, especially in the first few months. Also, the baby would be warmer up against me in the late winter/early spring months.<br>
It sure would save me a load of money. Also, I really want a nice rocker, so I can spend the money on that!
 

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I wouldn't get that stroller for navigating Septa. We have a very similar one, and while it folds super easy, and isn't that heavy, it's kinda awkward to carry w/dd. And big folded. You would be better off with an umbrella fold stroller, such as a maclaren, for septa. The Britax would be great for around the neighborhood kind of trips.
 

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when i had DD we lived in Washington, DC i didn't own a stroller at all for about the first 6 months - just carried her in a sling or other carrier and carried a small shoulder bag for dipes and things. worked really well. and even after i bought a stroller, the stroller mostly carried our stuff and i still wore DD <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> the one i did buy was a Chicco, it was a pretty inexpensive suped up umbrella style stroller and it worked just grand for what i needed it for, had locking hubs for bumpy sidewalks which was nice. in fact, because we didn't use it that much we still have it and it's in great shape still.<br><br>
as far as a car seat, i'd skip an infant seat and get a convertible one- it won't make a significant difference not being able to take the sleeping baby out of the car since you don't drive often, and that way it'll last into toddlerhood. DS, who is very big (90th percentile for weight and 75th for height) is just about to outgrow his and he just turned 2.<br><br>
but don't expect babywearing to save you money, it can become a bit of an obsession <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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My sis lives in Philly, and doesn't use a sling (yeah, she's one of those types! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">). Anyway, she doesn't have a car either (her dh does, for his commute)--they use the PhillyCarShare thing if they both need wheels at the same time. If you like, I can ask her what they do regarding car seats, etc. Their son is nearly 2 now, so I can ask what they did for the newborn period, how it worked, and what they do now...and well as what they'd do differently if they could.<br><br>
I know she has some sort of monstrous stroller she loves, and for the first couple months she did use a snugli (that was as close as she was willing to get to the "weird shawl thing" I wear, LOL!) but of course that didn't last long.<br><br>
I totally second the Ergo--I would definitely want one if I lived in a walkable area. And a simple, easy-to-pack sling as well--a pouch, ringsling, or wrap that you can stash in the diaperbag to always have on hand.<br><br>
I'd think that such a combination would easily take you until your dc is walking, or until baby #2 comes along! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Thanks Sarah! I would love to know what your sister did for the car seat/PhillyCarShare. I know a few of the cars in their fleet have car seats already installed. I just feel weird using theirs, because I don't know if they have ever been in a crash/etc.
 

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I completely agree!!! No matter where you live, strollers can be a PITA for navigating through store doors, over curbs, on busy sidewalks. Add public transportation and you're just asking for a headache.<br><br>
Get a good soft carrier - a sling, wrap, mei tai, etc. Maybe more than one. Carrying your baby securely attached to your body is SO much easier than using a stroller.<br><br>
If the baby comes and you discover that you're just dying for a stroller, you can always get one then! The same goes for just about any sort of baby gear. You don't really *need* any of it and nothing bad will happen if you give birth and don't have it. You'll waste less money and precious storage space if you don't get it all ahead of time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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LIke everyone else has said, I would delay the stroller purchase. Babywearing is definitely the way to go. If you need to be frugal, get a ring sling/pouch and an ergo. If you can splurge, get a wrap, too.<br><br>
As far as the car seat goes, don't bother with an infant car seat. They're a PITA anyway, bulky awkward and 2 pieces to install every time you get the car for the day. We love our Evenflo Triumph (once we figured out HOW to adjust the straps!!!) and have found it very easy to install in lot's of different kinds of cars.<br><br>
A thought on the urban stroller thing: where we live, we don't use public transportation much (cause it sucks) but we do walk a lot. The sidewalks are awful. I had a good stroller with big wheels that were not inflatable. I loved it until I found an old jogger at a garage sale. I bought it cause it was cheap ($30) but it was the best purchase for us. It is very light with 12" inflatable wheels that we regularly take not just over our crappy sidewalks but also off-road across the park! The thing is, it doesn't fold so it wouldn't work for a bus or crowded train. But, I wouldn't want to mess with a stroller, plus bags, plus baby on any of those things anyway (that's what the ergo is for!). If you think you'll want the stroller eventually, you might want to look into buying a jogging stroller or at least one with inflatable wheels... so long as you can walk to the park or the store. hth!
 

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The reason why I wouldn't get <b>that</b> stroller is because it weights almost 30 pounds. That's way to heavy to be hauling around.<br><br>
I would get a stroller though. As much as I like wearing my babies, it's not always convenient and doesn't work in every situation.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Living in San Francisco, we never used our stroller until I got pregnant and couldn't carry a 30+ lb toddler any more (he was about 18 months at the time). I do find the stroller useful now that I'm a big pregnant lady.<br><br>
I'd recommend a Maclaren as an urban stroller. At the playground we used to go to (right in the middle of the city) most of the strollers were Maclarens. Ours is a Maclaren Triumph and I <i>love</i> how lightweight it is. It doesn't have the big wheels of a jogging stroller, but it's fine on bumpy sidewalks and going up and down curbs. I really appreciate the light weight when I have to lift it up onto a bus, or carry it up and down stairs. It folds up very easily and it's very small when folded. Also its small footprint makes it easy to navigate through crowded aisles at the grocery store.
 

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One more vote for no stroller. ;-) We're a one-car family, and when my son was born, we lived a 30-minute commute from DH's office (by car). That means he would take the car all day, and I'd use the bus, trains, and my feet to get around, which I did quite handily.<br><br>
For the newborn period, we used a Maya wrap. I got it before DS was born, and it worked great until about 18 pounds... which was 3 months for him.<br><br>
For transition, we used a long wrap (a Girasol), but I really got it *too* long. Get the minimum length that works for your body.<br><br>
By the time he was 5.5 months, he had the torso control to sit in the Ergo, so we started using that front-wearing. He started riding on my back pretty much full-time by 7 months. He's 3 now, and STILL rides in it... but as I'm newly pregnant, it's getting pretty uncomfortable for me. So we may be buying our FIRST stroller soon. (Right now, my mom's out of town so I have her car... but I may break down and get a stroller after she gets back.)<br><br>
What you *do* need, though, is a good "old lady cart." ;-) Actually, Staples (or whatever your office supply superstore is) should have a pretty good one for about $20. They fold flat, and expanded are the size and shape of a milk crate or so. They're *perfect* for two shopping bags (yes, the big green ones from Whole Foods, even), or they can carry your diaper bag, potty, toys, blanket, whatever. Much, much easier to haul onto transit, too! Here's a link to what I'm talking about: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2kza4o" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2kza4o</a>
 

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Not that I have long term urban experience, but I just spent the last week in downtown Portland with DS in a cheap-o umbrella stroller and it was FINE. There were a couple cracks or curbs that I needed to pay special attention to, but really, not anything more than I would with my big stroller (with big wheels) I use at home.<br><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">IF</span></b> you decide to get a stroller, go with something very light and with a basket. Although, we did fine with a backpack dangled on the handles so long as we remembered to remove it when DS got out or it would flip over.<br><br>
Most strollers that accept an infant carrier are not entirely exclusive of the one they are "made for". We borrowed an infant carrier (really, a wise financial choice) and it fit well enough in our stroller. I wasn't as into babywearing then and I'm sure I'll get by without one this time and we'll go straight to a convertable car seat.
 

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so far we are just slinging it. we expect to eventually buy a stroller, but not till she is much older. for now, sling works much better with subway.
 

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living in brooklyn, i often face the problem of whether or not to bring the stroller, carry ds, or let him walk.....<br><br>
if you want to get an infant seat, there's always someone selling or giving away a graco snugride - they fit into a lot of strollers, and new i think they're about $80 - so you can find a used one for little or nothing! we have a car, so i found it very convenient - and although you'll eventually have to get a bigger seat, i thought it was worth it. you can get a snap & go or similar to delay a real stroller purchase....<br><br>
now that ds is 2, about 30 lbs, and running all over the place, i find that the stroller - even thought its a total PITA on the stairs - indispensible on the subway. i don't have to worry about him running or falling on the platform, or worse. we have 2 - a maclaren quest (although i wish i had gotten the superlight volo) and a bugaboo that was a gift. as much as i hate the "status" part of the fancy stroller, and the fact that it's large & heavy, it's great for long walks - which we often take. it's nicer to walk than deal with public transport, if at all possible, and the big wheels and smooth ride make it easy to push - pushing a stroller with a toddler & some bags a long way can be hard work in an umbrella stroller!<br><br>
when he was little - about up to 8 months - i carried him more than strolled him. the bjorn & the ergo worked best for me, esp. when i could put him on my back.<br><br>
anyhow, that's my 2 cents - i was equally obsessed with these issues when ds was born - good luck!
 

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I live in a larger city with mass transit as well. My mother insisted on buying a stroller for us and it has been used once in just under a year. Its much easier use a sling- I have two meitais, a few pouches, and a Moby. Next baby, I plan to sell the stroller and buy an Ergo and ring sling<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 

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Aimee, I talked to my sis, and here's what she said:<br><br>
First, if you want to email her directly, she said I could give you her email. She's not exactly NFL or AP <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"> but she's a good person and loves her boy...<br><br>
WRT the CarShare, they always took their own seat. They first invested in a baby bucket (they have her dh's car, so they installed the base there, and used the seatbelt installation in other cars.), then later a convertible. For the bucket, they bought the Graco Snugride, because a) Consumer Reports ranked it fairly highly (she said--I have no idea) and b) it was much cheaper than the Britax--since they don't use the car a lot, she didn't want to invest a lot of money in an infant seat, and c) like others have said, they heard that it was one of the best as far as easily fitting into a wide range of vehicles.<br><br>
I don't remember what convertible seat they got--I think she said one of the Britax ones--they expect him to use it until he's ready for just a backless booster.<br><br>
WRT strollers, she said definitely wait on that and give lots of thought to when/how you would be using it. If you decide to get one, her recommendation was that something narrow, easy to maneuver, smaller when folded, etc. was much more important than big heavy-duty wheels or what-not. Basically, the smallest footprint possible, but with a good-sized cargo basket. She has this <a href="http://www.pegperego.com/page.php?sid=8c896153d8bc6840d877a13ced0dec17&pageid=UJVNL001&idf=04&idp=0000000120&cl=N" target="_blank">Peg Perego</a>, and as a side note, she said that it comes with a strap to attach any infant car seat, not just the matching one (and she discovered that the Graco seat fit very snugly/securely in it, even without the strap).<br><br>
She said that FTMP, if possible, she tried not to take the stroller if using the bus or subway (is that what Septa is?), because she always felt a bit awkward getting on/off and didn't like the feeling of holding up traffic. If she could manage without the stroller, she'd just put him in the snugli. Once he outgrew that, if she couldn't avoid using mass transit, she was very grateful for the smaller (her words, not mine! It looks pretty big to me!) stroller. (I would have been grateful for a better carrier, but I digress, lol! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
Anyway, I hope that's somehow helpful.....and if you would like her email address, LMK and I'll PM you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I'm thinking about getting a micralite. I was looking at the britax you are considering but then I saw the micralite which is basically the same design. They're expensive too, but they only weigh 14 lbs and you can fold it with one hand and it stands upright by itself when folded. It has the big wheels on the back and small swivels in the front. I walk every day all over the place and don't use public transport that much.. so it seems a good solution to me for out shopping when you need extra hands.<br>
I babywear a lot, too but I love having a stroller <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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when my daughter was born 4 years ago, we lived on so cal, and my husband worked in hollywood. we purchased a Mountain Buggy jogging/all-terrain stroller and worshipped it! i also used a sling (many different, wonderful slings), and would haul stuff in the stroller too. it has a front wheel that swivels, and literally turns on a dime while pushing one handed! it is no frills, just a stroller with a basket underneath. it folds flat and fit in the back of my 73' vw bug w/ the babe in her carseat! great for hiking, subways, commuter trains, mall shopping....etc! it is big enough that i always felt that my girl was completly safe, it has 3-wheels (inflatable), aluminum frame (lightweight) it pops open and locks all in one movement, it is sturdy enough for a small child (still use it!), the seat is made of nylon (much like a backpack) and washes up with a washcloth, it is a very smooth ride and when we took it into the foothills for walks, my girl would sleep soundly walking over rocks and roots and such. i am having my second babe here in about 3 weeks, and i can't wait to let him give it a whirl! i always get a lot of ooohs and ahhhs when we take it out. i love it love it! worth taking a look at. ~
 
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