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found in dumpster near an airport! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl"> Has anyone heard this besides me? I just saw a tiny clip about it on the news.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yikes">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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Here's the link<br><a href="http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=158752572&p=y58753z78" target="_blank">link</a><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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The baby’s umbilical cord was still attached, but police did not believe the child was born in the toilets, said police spokesman Detective Tony Morales.</td>
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The airport security turned over all tapes to police.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
so freakin' sad....<br><br>
I lived in PHX for 35 yrs & this crap goes in spurts there.<br>
I hope this is not the beginning of another horrible cycle <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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So tragic. I have a hard time dealing with the fact that people throw babies away.<br><br>
I've been in and out of Sky Harbour. It is a huge place. They should have their heads examined for not having a camera outside the restrooms! What if a child was taken in there in an abduction!?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So tragic. I have a hard time dealing with the fact that people throw babies away.<br><br>
I've been in and out of Sky Harbour. It is a huge place. They should have their heads examined for not having a camera outside the restrooms! What if a child was taken in there in an abduction!?</div>
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it really is not that simple....so many suitcases go in & out...<br>
may feel cameras around a bathroom in intrusive... it's not the airport's fault. I'm sure there are cameras in the main areas of the terminals but how could you determine what was in what suitcase, carry-on bag, backpack.<br><br>
kids were dumping deceased babies @ proms, others would end up in dumpsters all around the Valley.. I mean it's just awful & this SADLY, happens in everywhere.<br><br>
I have HUGE issues with babies being discarded esp in AZ where you can drop off your baby @ any hospital, Fire or Police station with no questions asked. This law was passed b/c there were so many babies found <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
~~~~prayers~~~~~~ to the littlest victims
 

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That's so sad. I can't imagine the sort of desperation and pain that the mother must have been experiencing to make that choice.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/candle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Candle">
 

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Most moms who dispose of babies like that are very young and in denial. Just imagine what pg/pp hormones can do to an overwhelmed teenager....<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/candle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Candle"> for the babies.
 

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I can't really empathize with people who do such things.
 

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Me neither <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"><br><br>
It happens in spurts here too. Although we now have a no questions asked law so desperate moms can leave their babies at hospital door steps, firehouses, churches, and not be prosecuted.
 

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Oh my God. That poor, poor baby. How awful. I just can't wrap my head around something like that.
 

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If I ever met that woman face to face, I would hate to learn how far I would go in anger.... I can not BELIEVE there are so many people who lose babies they desperately want, and she just throws her away. I just don't understand how things like that happen....I would have taken her baby and loved her baby in an instant, and I bet there are a million other people who would have done it too. Why just throw your baby away...a full term baby. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Ok, I have to step away from my computer...I can barely breathe right now... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Ally <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Sometimes the mamas turn out to be thirteen-year-olds in a deep state of denial about their pregnancies, and lacking adults in their lives who care enough to step in. Or they're heavily damaged by drugs or alcohol.<br><br>
Tragic for all the generations involved-- but think about it, you have to be in pretty horrific shape to leave you babe in a toilet. I have some empathy for that dead baby's mama, for that reason alone.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sometimes the mamas turn out to be thirteen-year-olds in a deep state of denial about their pregnancies, and lacking adults in their lives who care enough to step in. Or they're heavily damaged by drugs or alcohol.<br><br>
Tragic for all the generations involved-- but think about it, you have to be in pretty horrific shape to leave you babe in a toilet.</div>
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... or maybe just a selfish, heartless person who thinks babies are not human and can be disposed of like trash.<br><br>
I know my opinions on this won't be popular, but these kinds of occurrences really don't surprise me in our society... it is just another step in the logical progression from the whole abortion-for-convenience mentality... if a baby is inconvenient for you, just get rid of it... if you can do it when the baby's practically full-term, why not right after birth? When does it become infanticide, and who decides? Are we really that shocked that girls raised to think of babies as diposable sometimes do this? Heck, there are even college professors advocating the killing of undesirable infants b/c they're not really people (old folks and disabled folks too, but that's a whole 'nother thread...).<br>
It's no coincidence that most of these "mothers" turn out to be teenagers or young -- that is when we are most self-absorbed and concerned with not letting anything interrupt our fun.<br><br>
We need some %[email protected]$ REVERENCE FOR LIFE here!!!!<br>
Babies are human beings!!!<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl">
 

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sO TRAGIC! I hope the mama can greive and heal. I don't think she could ever forget! I can't even imaging how a woman gets to that point! Every time I go to a public bathroom all of these stories haunt me and I think I am going to walk into a abandoned baby situation.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sometimes the mamas turn out to be thirteen-year-olds in a deep state of denial about their pregnancies, and lacking adults in their lives who care enough to step in. Or they're heavily damaged by drugs or alcohol.<br><br>
Tragic for all the generations involved-- but think about it, you have to be in pretty horrific shape to leave you babe in a toilet. I have some empathy for that dead baby's mama, for that reason alone.</div>
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I wonder if a lot of it has to do with just society in general.... There are very few people who can pick out the signs of postpartum/antepartum depression and psychosis (trust me, I've been in counseling since my first pregnancy because of antepartum anxiety and PPD/PPA, and have yet to find someone who actually knows anything about it). Then there's the isolation--women aren't nurtured during pregnancy and motherhood--basically abandoned to do their own thing alone. And then there's the fact that noone sticks around to help a scared pregnant teenager (or any woman)...it's basically a "well, you got yourself into it" attitude... Feeling alone, isolated, scared, and then having the hormones to deal with, as well as figuring out how to feed, cloth, and support a baby noone thinks you should have probably leads to a lot of these types of things.<br><br>
It still doesn't make me any less angry at her though, but that's my own grief shining through there. But, I can see the other side where things like this may be almost "encouraged" by our society's treatment of babies, pregnant women, and mothers...
 

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ZipporahI know my opinions on this won't be popular said:
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Since time immemorial women have practiced methods of birth control and abortion. It's not new.<br>
However, that's not what this story is about. I'm hypothesizing, here, but I believe it's about a young, isolated, probably abused young woman/girl who felt there were no choices for her. It's about the people who slip through the cracks of a loosely woven social safety net. It's about how mental illness, sex education, drug addiction, poverty, and abuse are swept under the heavy rug of the legal system, rarely to be spoken of, practiced, or molded to fit real life.<br>
It's about human suffering and an innocent who lost life as the result of an ignorant system.
 

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there's also some of those females that did this actions that claimed that they just didn't care & did not want to be bothered.<br>
I remember 1 baby being born @ a prom & the mother put the infant in the trash & enjoyed the rest of the prom dance... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: so not all of them are the "poor victims of society" - this girl was not poor, not adicted, not from an abused home, etc...<br>
face it, some people just don't care. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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What about infanticide? Is that just another form of "birth control"? Because women have also practiced that since time immemorial. Should we then make that legal too, and say it's no different? Because apparently there are those who think so. In fact there are many who believe abortion and infanticide to be interchangeable: some come down on the pro side (both are allowable acts on what are perceived to be not-yet-fully-human beings), others, like myself, come down on the anti side (both are criminal acts against human beings).<br><br>
Of course, we know where the law stands on the issue at this time.<br><br>
I am just so sick of hearing things like this. I mean, humans have done a lot of things for a long time, but we have overcome many of them. Don't we have a responsibility to change, to grow, to evolve, to better ourselves? When are we going to stop just being glorified apes and start holding ourselves to the higher standards which we are <i>absolutely capable</i> of achieving?! Honestly, this "mother"s act is nothing more than animal, and perhaps on that level there could be some empathy... but, for goodness' sake, she is a member of the human race and as such she had every facility at her disposal to rise above her animal self and do what <i>any decent person KNOWS</i> is the right thing. She did not choose to do so, and i think such a reprehensible lack of humanity can be partially but directly attributed to our social attitudes towards the disposability of babies.
 
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