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I know this fits the description for bronchitis, but I don't believe it's bacterial. Mane has no fever and seems happy and energetic most of the day. She's been up with terrible coughing fits, sometimes ending in throwing up, almost always ending in spitting clear mucus out of her mouth, every night for over two weeks. We are getting SO tired. She sometimes wakes up every two hours. Sometimes she'll sleep for 3, if we're lucky.<br><br>
We have increased her vitamin C intake & echinacea. We've steamed her in the bathroom and used eucalyptus oil in her bath & in a chest rub. Most recently we have been using a tea at night made with oregano, cinnamon sticks & honey. This is a Mexican home remedy we learned from some friends. This worked excellently the first night we used it. She slept straight through the night. We haven't had the same results since then though (we've done it 3 more times). She's also been drinking the Breathe Deep tea from Yogi teas. I was propping her up to sleep at night, but she sleeps much more soundly if she's lying down flat.<br><br>
I am NOT interested in taking her to a doctor. We called the doctor & she said they'll automatically give antibiotics if it sounds like she has fluid in her chest. She doesn't have a fever, though, and she isn't wheezing or struggling to breathe. I don't think it's bacterial, at least not yet. And I want to avoid antibiotics. She just went off gluten 7 weeks ago & her body is struggling to recover from poorly absorbing foods. The last thing she needs is something to destroy her intestinal bacteria. She *does* eat homemade yogurt, and we avoid all refined sugars.<br><br>
I actually believe she'd recover from this fine on her own, but it might take a REALLY long time. I'm interested if anybody knows any ways to help her sleep at night & if anybody knows anything we could do to shorten the duration of the cough, help her get the junk out of her body more easily, etc...
 

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Well, I went to a local herbs & homeopathic shop and came home with two homeopathics: Spongia Tosta & Kali Mur. Hopefully we're on the right track.
 

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yup, we've been doing that, too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Although a persistent cough at night can be a symptom of asthma. I know you don't want to take her to a dr but it might be worth it if she doesn't improve.
 

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Hmmm...well, I'm not inclined to think she has asthma. She has no difficulty breathing, is not wheezing, and is not short of breath unless coughing. It is also the case that several of our neighbors have had this same illness. The ped diagnosed my neighbor's daughter with allergies, which makes NO sense, since there have been 6 people on our block with the same illness.<br><br>
Anyhow, I wonder if anybody knows if it's common for her response to homeopathics to involve MORE coughing, including daytime coughing? It seems like maybe the mucus is less thick, since she isn't gagging & throwing up any more, but it seems like the frequency of coughing has increased over all.<br><br>
I'm fighting with myself about bringing her to a doctor, but I know they'll only prescribe antibiotics, and I know that doesn't make sense right now. She should have a fever if she has a bacterial infection. It is tempting to think this is whooping cough, but I have no way to know for sure if this is what it is. She had all the symptoms of whooping cough 3 years ago, and we were fairly certain she had it then.
 

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It sounds like WC, and I believe you can get it pretty often. You said she is taking vit C, is she using Sodium ascorbate to bowel tolerance. If not I would definitely up her SA. Mt has some posts on WC and how to help get the mucus up in the little ones. SA also can kill the pertussis bacteria. If its not WC I don't think the SA is going to hurt.<br><br>
Hope she is feeling better soon.
 

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If you take her to a dr just because they prescribe the antibiotics doesn't mean you have to fill the prescription.<br><br>
And tell the dr your concerns and thoughts. Sometimes dr's do listen.
 

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I don't know how to say this without coming off all wrong, but, please, I came here for advice about natural, herbal & homeopathic remedies. I have made it clear that we are not ready to see a doctor yet. I think I'm pretty good at knowing when it would be an appropriate time to head for the doctor. I'm struggling with that decision right now, but I don't need that advice here. Mane *has* seen doctors in her life, and I am not entirely opposed to them. However, at this point, it doesn't seem necessary or helpful. The doctor we verbally consulted with said that she would prescribe antibiotics, given the set of symptoms we described. I think that's ridiculous and uninformed.<br><br>
I don't have the time or the energy or the desire to explain myself about my position on the medical field. So, I'm not going to, but I am disappointed about the recommendations to take her to the doctor. I am aware that doctor's can listen. Mane's ped listens, but he isn't typically as informed as I'd like him to be, and I have found this to be true of nearly every doctor I've met, with the exception of those I've seen in specialty fields. I am looking for fellow mamas who are familiar with natural ways of treating illness. I have some experience, but not nearly as much as I'd like, and I can't afford a naturopath. So, I've come here for advice.<br><br>
If you honestly think I should take Mane to the ped, I'd like to know that, but I'd like some strong reasons why. She is not desperately ill. She *does* have a persistent nagging cough that seems to be viral in nature...or, perhaps, is WC. If anybody knows how to tell if this could be bacterial, I'd be interested. As far as I know, if she has no fever and is not wheezing it is unlikely to be bacterial bronchitis or pneumonia. If it's WC, it won't help to take her to a ped anyway.<br><br>
I'm sorry to come off so negatively. I'm just getting overwhelmed with messages to take her to a doctor - not just here, but my own internal messages from growing up going to the doc all the time. I'm trusting my own instincts on this, and the instincts are still telling me that she's ok & doesn't need a doc. This could change, but, for right now, that's not what we need.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It sounds like WC, and I believe you can get it pretty often. You said she is taking vit C, is she using Sodium ascorbate to bowel tolerance. If not I would definitely up her SA. Mt has some posts on WC and how to help get the mucus up in the little ones. SA also can kill the pertussis bacteria. If its not WC I don't think the SA is going to hurt.<br><br>
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Thank you! After reading this last night and looking up all the whooping cough information I had, I gave her 1g vit. C before bed and again this morning. She only woke up twice coughing last night, and the intensity of the cough was about half what it was the night before. She also woke up this morning without coughing...just ready to get up. She's been coughing since getting up, but it's less than it was yesterday. I think we're finally on the right track.
 

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By Friday last week we realized that the vit. c we were giving her most likely had gluten in it, though I can't figure out from what on the label. So, we switched to a vit. c that is labeled gluten-free. She started sleeping through the night without coughing on Saturday, and has continued to sleep through the night since then. She's been taking around 2500mg of vit. C every day. She coughs when she gets up & usually spits out a bunch of mucus. Then she does that maybe twice more during the day, but she's sleeping and feeling a lot better. Thanks for all the thoughts. Who knows if it's whooping cough or not, but the vit. C really, really worked.
 

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I'm sorry I didn't see this thread till now.<br><br>
Yes, it sounds like whooping cough. When my 4 y.o. son had it, I was slow to give him the doses of vit C he needed to get better fast. By the time I upped his dose to about 5 grams/day giving 1 gram every 3to 4 hours, the major damage to the cilia in the throat had been done, and he had the 100 day cough.<br><br>
I never took my kiddos to the dr, but my friends took thier kids in and my vit c information had better results than the dr's advice.<br><br>
Hope your gal is feeling better.<br><br>
btw, the vit c doesn't kill the bacteria - it neutralizes the bacterial toxins - and it is the toxins that do the damage to the cilia.
 

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Yeah...that really really really sounds like WC.<br><br>
Hopefully she's already on the tail end of it if it is. Something like 30-40% of kids only cough for 3 or 4 weeks, so here's to hoping she's only got a week or so left if that's it.
 

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Thank you for your replies. We just got back from an 8 day road trip. Mane is doing a lot better - with maybe 2 or 3 coughing episodes a day. The bad news is that I started with all the same symptoms on the second day of our trip. I feel really miserable. The coughing wears me out, and last night I got really scared because I seriously didn't know when I was ever going to be able to inhale. It probably wasn't all that long, but I kept coughing for what seemed like forever. I read that whooping cough can take 21 days to incubate, and people can be contagious for the first 20 days or so of coughing. So, I guess it's entirely possible that I got it from her. The bad, bad news is that I teach childbirth classes, and I think I'll be canceling my class that begins next week because I don't want to give WC to my students. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/fever.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Fever">: The other bad, bad news is that Vespera is stuffy & coughing this morning.<br><br>
DH is encouraging me to consider going to the doctor for a diagnoses. Any thoughts on the benefits of that? Is there any way to abort WC early if Vespera is getting it? She has some big summer plans coming up, and it would be awful for her to get sick.
 

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The best way to minimize the symptoms of whooping cough is to maximize your vit c. When I had whooping cough, I was taking 12 grams of Vit C/day (because baby had it to) I hardly coughed at all.<br><br>
From exposure to infection is two weeks, then there is two weeks of a dry sounding cough and then, whammo the bad cough begins. A person is most contagious during the dry cough, so I fear your pregnant ladies may have been exposed all ready - unless you haven't met for the past 2 weeks.<br><br>
Whooping cough is difficult to get a diagnosis for, because the classic whoop is more of a night time symptom. A dr may call the cough bronchitis or asthma, and may prescribe antibiotics, which is the worst thing you can do for whooping cough.
 

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Oh, I haven't begun this class series yet, and my last class ended in June. So, none of the pregnant ladies have been exposed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
DH & I have decided that a diagnoses isn't worth it. I am 99% certain that it's whooping cough. I've been increasing my vit C enormously in the past few days & so has Vespera. She isn't coughing today. So, I think she's ok. I think she was stuffy yesterday from climate change. We drove from Utah to Minnesota in 2 days. She also went to the chiropractor today, which will probably boost her immune system.<br><br>
Off to take some more vit C... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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So, I feel totally and completely awful, but at least I know this isn't going to last forever. I talked with my neighbor yesterday. She is from Africa & after hearing my symptoms & listening to me cough she said I certainly have whooping cough. She's seen it a ton in the country she is from, and she had whooping cough when she was a child. She recommended flax seed oil, and she nodded her head about vitamin C. I'm really, really, really tired of coughing. Everything hurts. On the up side, Mane is down to coughing only about twice a day. And DH has been taking his vitamin C & echinacea in an effort to not get sick.
 

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OMG!! I'm so glad I ran across this thread. Our symptoms are identical. Ds has been coughing for one month tomarrow. It's at the tail end but it's hanging on a little bit. He still coughs a little while running/playing. I got it into his 2nd week and still cough at night and in the am. His ped told us it was viral turned bacterial and I succombed (sp) to anti's for the 2nd time in ds's life. (I was so tired for my lil man and wanted him to get some relief & I was frightened at the length it went on) I read here that that is not good for WC <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> oh crap, don't I feel like a bad mom. No wonder the dreaded cough is hanging on. Upping the C even more...we could open a smoothie bar, I swear! Well, I had a feeling it was WC w/o the big "whoop." Now I know. Thanks for the post and advice.<br><br>
Hope we all recover soon. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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